Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

All this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't lead anywhere as we aren't in the position to do anything about it.
It was admitted here that FT Users did, and still do, use the NP route to access games that dont use the free accessible freetrack.dll.
As this is done by the users and not by FT it is not possible to prosecute.
So the users using the hacked NP-route are legally safe but maybe morally questionable.
As it was explained quite a few post earlier, NP is not the big multinational company with unlimited resources as some posters her seem to imagine.
It is a company that started with software/hardware to ease the life of disabled people which then expanded to this small niche-market flight-simulation.
Still it is a small company and when the kinect system from MS is pushed into the market, this company is history, along with other companies that serve this market.
Then we all will find out what a real monopol is, when the price for kinect units has risen to the real costs plus the gain MS can get then without rivals.
I believe some will then look back with grief to this time with petty discussions.

Now Kinect is "underpriced"... A "dumping" attempt to dump a product that don't have competition yeat... A beautifull way to justify NP overpriced HT solutions for sims.

Please, don't try to discuss economics... This example makes me laugh a lot!

[robtek]

Well, it will be not "to dump a product that don't have competition yeat" but to corner a possible market!
By the way, can you proof in any way that TIR is overpriced???
I mean with facts, not your fantasy.
And dont you try to compare with a mass-market webcam, apples and oranges!

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by robtek

Well, it will be not "to dump a product that don't have competition yeat" but to corner a possible market!
By the way, can you proof in any way that TIR is overpriced???
I mean with facts, not your fantasy.
And dont you try to compare with a mass-market webcam, apples and oranges!

Can you prove to me that NaturalPoint is a little itty bitty company? Show us their financial statements. AFAIK, they are privately held, so you won't be able to do that. So, I'm supposed to take your word for it they don't make much money for such a small company, when you at the same time question my morality for using Freetrack when it is perfectly legal to do so. At least this time you prefaced it with "maybe". So, "maybe" I'm making headway here.

[robtek]

Nice try, MB.
There was a calculation here in this thread, by swiss, i believe, that gave a plausible account of the possible money NP is making with TIR.
Thats at least 100% more than we've seen for the proof of greedyness!
And it isn't legal to use the NP software with FT, it only can't be prosecuted.
But keep on grasping for straws to keep your morality intact, if it is okay for you to bent legality when you don't have to fear prosecution, so be it.
Just don't tell everybody it is perfectly ok to do so.
Btw, i have to admit that i am no angel myself, but thats private and i dont advertise.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by robtek

Nice try, MB.
There was a calculation here in this thread, by swiss, i believe, that gave a plausible account of the possible money NP is making with TIR.
Thats at least 100% more than we've seen for the proof of greedyness!
And it isn't legal to use the NP software with FT, it only can't be prosecuted.
But keep on grasping for straws to keep your morality intact, if it is okay for you to bent legality when you don't have to fear prosecution, so be it.
Just don't tell everybody it is perfectly ok to do so.
Btw, i have to admit that i am no angel myself, but thats private and i dont advertise.

Frankly, NP profit margin is irrelevant from my point of view. It is a simple make/buy decision where I do a differential cost/benefit analysis relative to my pocket book. That has nothing to do with NP profit margin and the reason I didn't jump into that conversation. The fact that adonys uses it in his purchasing decision is an example of exogenous factor in play. If he doesn't want to buy TrackIR because he feels NP profit margin is too high, well more power to him. If you feel NP is an itty bitty company that needs your donation to survive and it gives you feeling of moral superiority, well more power to you. These aren't economic rational reasons in my mind. But they do drive purchasing decisions. Now, if you want to buy TrackIR because you don't want to build one and you want customer support, that is rational imo. If you want to build Freetrack and save some money, that is also rational imo.

[sigur_ros]

Ilya Shevchenko @ 2:17

'It's very important for us to interface with all the new devices and of course we keep track of all them to make sure that they all work. And we take great pains to ensure that our users who fly our game can use ALL of the devices that they have. '

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoz1Kb2wkPE

[robtek]

Sigur_ros, very good that you post that so late on page 59, its been one of the more lively discussions here

MadBlaster, i admit i have too agree with your post, it is rational.
What brought me into this discussion were the irrational accusations by FT-users of mysterious agreements (NDA's) between the big, greedy NT company and not exactly mentioned, but shurely real, game-devs, to suppress the rights and the freedom of a little band of FT-users.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by sigur_ros

Ilya Shevchenko @ 2:17

'It's very important for us to interface with all the new devices and of course we keep track of all them to make sure that they all work. And we take great pains to ensure that our users who fly our game can use ALL of the devices that they have. '

If Ilya said, I'll glad because I'll can use my PS3Eye and Freetrack to HT, because it's even not a "new" device.

Thank you!