Could 6-DoF ever be available in 4.2 if players could forgive small Graphics issues

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

Voted No.
Team Blueadalos have only nerfed a few RAF aircraft so far.
They should be allowed to focus their time and energy on improving the 109 and 190 still further, enhancing the explosive power of German bombs and fiddling with the Spitfire FM to create yet more mystical anti-torque.
Apparently "refraction" can remove the 190 bar but doesn't work on the P-47 razorback gunsight ....
Imho Oleg has allowed this bunch of chancers to officially mod IL-2 in order to generate sales for CloD by making IL-2 a joke game
When you look at the map textures, bomb doors, AI flyables, 6DoF etc etc etc available in UP in a far more stable format than 4.10 it beggars believe
Team Blueadalos is Olegs secret marketing tool

It seems your personal issues are far beyond the scope of this thread, or perhaps even this forum. I'm curious though, could you explain for me the significance of the "Team Blueadalos" phrase. You use it as if it's some triumph of rapier-like wit and an overpowering intellectual smackdown, so I'm hoping you can explain.

[robtek]

Because of "strapped in and not being able to move much" i'd like to remark that from all i've read about it, it seems that most fighter pilots did choose to be only loosely strapped in to have the freedom to move.
Also in almost every description of a intended crash landing "tightening the straps" is mentioned.

[jameson]

Just like to post some thoughts here that occured whilst reading this thread. Firstly, that even if tightly strapped in, it is still possible to move your head from side to side and to rotate it to look somewhat behind you over the shoulder. Combine this with the very small canopy of the bf109, (and the Spitfire's cockpit and canopy were only very slightly bigger) and that alone would have afforded a fairly good all round view, IMHO. In fact, why were spitfires fitted early on with 'blown' canopies at all? Following the logic of some posters here it would have been a complete waste of time and effort, something the British didn't have much of in 1940. I have used headtracking in the past and think that this gives a much more realistic view from the cockpit (when it worked!), than the rigid pov permitted by the on stick hat switch. I didn't find the "holes" that much of a problem, and for 109's at least these were fixed early on by the modders. See Hauptmann Phillips on the Russian front sitting in his 109, at 20+ seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roO9v9M9QIo&NR=1

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Thats the funniest footcam of WW2 I 've ever seen (the guy that gets blown away).

To me this small timeframe, where you can see the pilot, tells me following: There is no much space to move upward. Pilot can definitly move his head quite a bit, even if he is strapped. Its even easy ergonomical testing, which I can do at home - without moving my upper body, I can get my eyes near the line of my shoulders, although I cannot keep my head straight horizontal, but have to bank it. I also can look directly behind me, but again not straight and with one eye only.

But I think this is all well clear - the fixed 4DoF is as unrealistic as the 6DoF in mods is.
I say the kind and ammount of movement in a WW2 airplane, no matter which one, is very restricted (with the Bf109 being a very narrow one). And a 6DoF solution has to be like this.

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Thats the funniest footcam of WW2 I 've ever seen (the guy that gets blown away).

To me this small timeframe, where you can see the pilot, tells me following: There is no much space to move upward. Pilot can definitly move his head quite a bit, even if he is strapped. Its even easy ergonomical testing, which I can do at home - without moving my upper body, I can get my eyes near the line of my shoulders, although I cannot keep my head straight horizontal, but have to bank it. I also can look directly behind me, but again not straight and with one eye only.

But I think this is all well clear - the fixed 4DoF is as unrealistic as the 6DoF in mods is.
I say the kind and ammount of movement in a WW2 airplane, no matter which one, is very restricted (with the Bf109 being a very narrow one). And a 6DoF solution has to be like this.

Agreed with. AHII has it pretty restricted already, but maybe still a little too loose. Also buttons and axis need to be given to those without head tracking devices.

Maybe also possibility to "save" a head position behind hotkeys, like the Shift+F1 button now in the game.

[janpitor]

I think this is a good idea. An 6-dof incorporated in a way simulating real restrictions and with a possibility of not using TIR

[Kubiszko]

Many people give up flying on servers without the 6DOF.
Now it is hard to find a server where people fly.I think one of the reason is the lack of 6DOF.
Only it keeps me in this extremely distorted historical favoring blue game.

I voted Yes

[Cocoa]

Hello Gents,

Really interesting topic of course. I'm new to this forum, I have to tell I enjoyed the discussion on 6DOF.

I read a lot of comments and complaints of people without a tracking device. I'd like to suggest them to google "freetrack" keyword.It's not new. You will be surprised by it's performance and easyness. It is a free and excellent tool. You need to pay the cost of a webcam no more.

On the other hand, about the strapped-in pilots head movement. I think even if you strapped in your head can move pretty much. I experienced that in a cockpit. I had no problem to move left-right up-down my head, but yes i could not "zoom" in, and of course backwards view is somewhat restricted.
Now, moving along the "Zoom or Z-axis" is no issue we can forget it, as it was correctly pointed in a post : "that could be done even without 6dof in stock game", so it is not vaild point to discuss about, when 6dof is the subject.

Also I think that these days when TrackIR/Freetrack is avaible and 6DOF availbe, and it is enhancing indeed the inmersion, it is kinda silly not to include it. (I repeat freetrack actually democratize a lot the tracker-user community as it has almost no costs, and no high engineering skills are needed to do that.)

Of course with the 6DOF mod you can move further then in a real situation, but there is nothing else to relay on for 6DOF, so please include a proper 6DOF to the stock game and work it out with the limits it should have. That is the sane solution.

The argument that "trackir" users have advantage is again not too correct.

Why we dont limit then high end video cards, controllers with HOTAS, 1meter wide monitors all the rigs that gives 14440000fps, or longer view distance. Nobody would do that, I guess everybody is looking in this trade for a better immersion. 6DOF is a part of that, just like proper graphics etc.

I don't care about the small graphic glitches, I make no use of them 2mms between 2 panels..who would use that? Expet the spit where you have to see through the fusolage, want it or not, I recall maybe the Fw is like that too.

Small glitches or not I think there is no doubt that Il-2 has been the best on the market for a decade now, so maybe Mr. Maddox doesn't have to be shy about the small erros in the 3d models.

TD on the other side instead of giving us cirleing torpedos and guided bombs, (though I appreciate all kind of development-especially the G-load simulation which is something magical to have), could put more attention on 6DOF.



Soo my vote is a big huge "YES".

Thanks for your attention.

sorry for the ortography, had no time for spell check now....

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

It seems your personal issues are far beyond the scope of this thread, or perhaps even this forum. I'm curious though, could you explain for me the significance of the "Team Blueadalos" phrase. You use it as if it's some triumph of rapier-like wit and an overpowering intellectual smackdown, so I'm hoping you can explain.

No, I am not using the phrase in the way that you have described and nor would I take such a patronising presumptive attitude to other peoples opinions.

However that seems to be a common attitude on this forum

TD, in my opinion (and where I live we are still allowed to have those (England btw)) is modding IL-2 to an agenda driven by those players that only fly Blue \ LW.

Again ...my OPINION ... is that ok?

[robtek]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

No, I am not using the phrase in the way that you have described and nor would I take such a patronising presumptive attitude to other peoples opinions.

However that seems to be a common attitude on this forum

TD, in my opinion (and where I live we are still allowed to have those (England btw)) is modding IL-2 to an agenda driven by those players that only fly Blue \ LW.

Again ...my OPINION ... is that ok?

Well t-man, you know the saying about opinions?
They are like a**holes, everybody has one, and nobody wants to see the other ones!
Having said that, i'd like to mention that your opinion seem very unique, as it isn't shared by anyone so far.