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| View Poll Results: Would you sacrifice small graphical issues in order to be able to use 6-DoF | |||
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| No, I'd rather have my head on a fixed stick thanks you very much |
  
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02-19-2011, 09:46 PM
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I voted yes.
~S~ 
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02-20-2011, 01:59 AM
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In many ways I see this as a watershed moment... whether or not they realize it... with the addidion of a few key mods... 1C could in a way "take back" IL2... This is something that would benefit the community.. because many of us really don't need the 53 109 and 31 Fw 190 variants in the UP2.01 and while some of them could probably be added to the sim the 9 FW-190 variants and 15 Me-109 variants in 4.10.1 are a pretty darned good selection. even if 25% of the modded planes were added to the sim, along with 6DoF and a few other mods.. it would go along long way to getting the sim back into 1Cs hands so to speak... and of course this is just my opinion.. but I know a lot of guys who still fly modded basically because they want 6DoF.. and they want more in the the way of Mustangs as just one example... than the limited selection offered in the stock sim.
Some modders will always prefer to run modded just because they can.. and I have nothing against mods.. especially now after the overall classy way that thisa community handled them... but I am absolutely certain that if given the choice between a more secure official version with some of the added functionality of mods.. some which had been asked for for years... years.... and a ever changing, ever evolving smorgasbord of stuff that a lot of folks will never use... a whole bunch of folks would go the official route.... by choice.. It is obvious from the comments that many who are opposed to adding 6DoF officially to the sim either have never seen it work... or are going on some of the things that were early in the mod stage. The fact that what most of us fly with now is much tighter than those horrible shots from a few years back when this all got started says that there is a way to limit it.. but I have to admit.. a little 6DoF is better than none.. I'd be willing to bet that if 1C & TD took a serious look at what mods the community would like to see added to the sim... and not just the planes and such.. and then weeded out the ones that were not doable.... or tried to figure a way to make them doable.. a lot of people would actually prefer to fly stock.. From where I sit this is one of those moments where balance can be returned to the force.. and as I said.. of course that is just my opinion.
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02-20-2011, 07:23 AM
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I agree. Couple this with selectable external sound schemes as suggested by Azimech, maybe some effects and selectable map repaints for the legacy stock maps for those with the hardware to take advantage and you will have taken away the reason for many users to use mods. Mods will always be with us, however. The plethora of modded planes unavailable in the stock game and the jerks on the board or directors of Northrop Grumman make the continued existance of mods a virtual certainty. Multiple IL-2 installs are a great thing  .Cheers, Fafnir_6
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02-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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Head tracking works also for 2DoF or 4DoF etc... 6DoF is not only about 'tracking device: yes or no'.
Maybe some are just satisfied with how the tracking does work now?
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02-20-2011, 01:03 PM
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I know the answer: "we have rigid standards of..." Well, we consumers have ours to, and we know we can fly OK with 6DOF, we already do, it's up to OURS "rigid standards"... I never saw in patching history one feature so needed, with all the consumers happy with some glitches, and devs that simply don't give that to us. Amazing! And after all, I'm "rude"... Man, we need to beg a lot to 1C/Oleg/TD, and we receive things we don't want, like the "glorified" arming bomb fuse... Maybe TD need to think a little about what people want...
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02-20-2011, 02:01 PM
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No... I won't feel pissed. No... I won't....
See, I voted 'yes' too. But my 'yes' is definitly different from yours. And 'your rigid standard' it out of my interest. Too low.
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02-20-2011, 05:42 PM
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6DoF is useless without a head tracker. Goes hand in hand. 
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02-20-2011, 05:45 PM
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All that to me is more immersion... and the immersion gained is worth the immersion lost with the minor glitches.. Everyone keeps saying that all the pits would have to be repainted.. and that is just not true... The original screens of 6DoF were horrible... (I remember seeing one where the pilot's head was outside the cockpit in a 190.. ) but the final mod was tightened up to minimize that and keep things not only in the pit but minimizing the graphical glitches.... surely TD with the help of 1C can tighten that up a bit more where needed, considering that in most cases pilots were strapped in and truth be told they didn't have a whole lot of 6D movement.. but they did have some.. in the stock sim there is none.. The only reason I am going on about this is because I sincerely believe that if certain mods like 6DoF and some of the others I mentioned were incorporated into the stock sim... perhaps gradually at first .. but eventually more people would fly stock.. There will always be those who prefer mods... but believe me.. more would fly stock under the circumstances I mentioned, and that would mean that all the work TD is doing, great work I might add, would be beneficial to more of the community as a whole on a more regular basis.. Something to thunk about.. Regardless to what TD decides.. I will still fly modded and stock.. but if certain mods are added to the stock sim I will fly stock much much more.. and I think that the online community will as well... This is also not meant to be a slam on mods... I believe that mods opened up a lot of possibilities in this sim and we would probably not be where we are now had it not been for the mods. Even though the widespread cheating that everyone was initially concerned about never occurred (a wonderful testament to the character of this community IMO) the fact still remains that the security of an official version of the sim, with many of the long requested features.. some which have already been added to the stock sim by TD and some which are only found in mods at the moment.. would go a long way towards unifying the online segment of this community in a manner that is not dependent on the individual mod communities, of which there are at least 4 major players, reaching some kind of mutual agreement.. I wonder if that is even possible considering, even though the level of acrimony between the various modding groups has gone down considerably to almost a whisper.. there is still a level of contention. With TD taking the initiative and being officially sanctioned by 1C it would be easier for them to work through any obstacles from some of these mods simply because they would have access to the source. They don't have to add every plane or every mod, just some of them, particularly some of the ones that they have put off the table at the moment. This way... if you were online... and you wanted a certain level of commonality that was pretty much guaranteed the stock version would be and indeed as it should be where the community at large would turn. As it is now that is not the case. I believe that the creation of TD and it's sanctioning by Oleg is a bigger key to that unification than many initially realized.. and the fullness of the future of this franchise in it's golden years rests squarely in the hands of Oleg & TD and what they decide to do over the next year or so. Once CoD is released the count down will begin... slowly at first.. but steadily as more theaters are released under the SoW engine.. (I prefer to still call it that just to distinguish it from the original engine..). I don't think this sim will die for a long long time.. but I do think that as the better product expands... it will take from this community.. Either way the crown will stay with the king AFAIC. Just food for thought......... Last edited by Bearcat; 02-20-2011 at 05:50 PM.
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