Friday update and duscussions 2011-02-18

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by zapatista

nice new screenshots, looks like it is coming together nicely, especially the color tones are more realistic now (to be expected with the final tuning)

good to also see 3D forest extending all the way to the horizon, rather then it becoming a flat 2D landscape

question: on screenshot 5 (the lower altitude dogfight) the forest seems to completely engulf the roads , this might be fine for a small country road passing through a Forrest area, but for a medium to larger size roads it isnt very realistic. will this be manually edited and fine tuned before release ?

Well you see from up above trees do indeed seem to engulf roads except in the case of highways, and all of the roads you would see in 1940 would fall in the former category. Drive down a country lane sometime and you will observe that the canopy would obscure the road from an aerial view.

[heywooood]

oh man - first the grass is wrong color...now the trees need a trimming

Oleg - I dont care how the Spit flies if these importanter issues remain I will not be buying

Grass of Dover dammit

[heywooood]

seriously though

nice screenshots Oleg - cant wait to fly CoD

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Well you see from up above trees do indeed seem to engulf roads except in the case of highways, and all of the roads you would see in 1940 would fall in the former category. Drive down a country lane sometime and you will observe that the canopy would obscure the road from an aerial view.

you must be looking at a different picture, or are confusing rivers with roads

on the picture i refer to the problem is fairly obvious (but not a show stopper that requires release delays, we are talking about fine tuning)

on the upper left of the screenshot you see some small roads disappearing into a forested area, and that is quite normal. it is a thin narrow road.

if however you look at the lower right hand part of that picture you see much wider roads, in fact the widest road of the whole picture, and it still completely gets engulfed by trees when it enters the forest, that is what i was referring to

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by zapatista

you must be looking at a different picture, or are confusing rivers with roads

on the picture i refer to the problem is fairly obvious (but not a show stopper that requires release delays, we are talking about fine tuning)

on the upper left of the screenshot you see some small roads disappearing into a forested area, and that is quite normal. it is a thin narrow road.

if however you look at the lower right hand part of that picture you see much wider roads, in fact the widest road of the whole picture, and it still completely gets engulfed by trees when it enters the forest, that is what i was referring to

I don't think you understood what I was saying at all. I am arguing that a wide road in 1940 is as narrow as a country lane of today. Automobiles weren't dominant back then. You seem to be assuming that a road of today is the same width as a road of yesteryear. I (correct me if I am wrong here) am thinking that you are assuming that a highway of today is equivalent to a major thorough fair of 1940, and this simply is not true. The major arteries of traffic we have now are close to 10x the width of high traffic country roads of 70 years ago.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

I am arguing that a wide road in 1940 is as narrow as a country lane of today.

that is simply not true

having lived in Kent (southern england) for 6 years i know very well what country roads look like. many of the smallest ones are still single-car-wide only, with intermittent spots where one car can pull over to let another past

you seem to be presuming the whole of england exclusively had roads like that and it is simply not true. most roads allowed for traffic in both directions and were significantly wider, and many in the 40's had grass verges on either side to, its not as if they were lined by trees immediately next to them

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

You seem to be assuming that a road of today is the same width as a road of yesteryear. I (correct me if I am wrong here) am thinking that you are assuming that a highway of today is equivalent to a major thorough fair of 1940,

i shall correct you, that is not at all what i thought (or posted)

and i suspect what you believe is an arterial road not covered by trees is instead a river in that screenshot

[furbs]

Much as i hate to say it
Zapista is right...the road does vanish into a forrest.
maybe the forrest is auto gened after the road system?

[No601_Swallow]

Originally Posted by zapatista

that is simply not true

having lived in Kent (southern england) for 6 years i know very well what country roads look like. many of the smallest ones are still single-car-wide only, with intermittent spots where one car can pull over to let another past

you seem to be presuming the whole of england exclusively had roads like that and it is simply not true. most roads allowed for traffic in both directions and were significantly wider, and many in the 40's had grass verges on either side to, its not as if they were lined by trees immediately next to them

And having lived in London and ventured regularly into Kent (shudder - the countryside - yeuch!) all my life, I'm amazed to hear you've never driven down a two-lane road canopied-over with interlocking tree boughs. A-roads in this day and age are like autobahns from 30's Germany (and then some, as our Yank cousins would say), and the UK had nothing of the like in the 30s (thank God!).

I have to say: even after all these years, I'm mystified at the begrudgery and mean-spiritedness shown by us simmers. These shots are truly stunning and beautiful. I'm more than willing to live with realistic-looking forests that encroach on rural thoroughfares, because it's in a landscape I never thought would be possible to achieve (so much richer than even "hi-res" FSX sceneries). I'm even willing to live my own pet gripe (the colour of the roofs of English houses - would make the single biggest impact on the 'flavour' of the landscape -i.m.h.o...) because I have to pinch myself to believe the effort being expended by these skilled and dedicated souls to make my hobby even better and more immersive. I honestly want to say "shame on you" to the begrudgers and belittlers, but I won't, because life's too short.

So: thank you Oleg and the "Valiant 22".

Edit: And before anyone says that the roads have grown, or were wider somehow, think of how the forests throughout England have shrunk over the past 70 years. If anything forests should be encroaching more!

[No601_Swallow]

And compare roads in CoD screenshots with IL2. I honestly can't understand why people are whining.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by zapatista

that is simply not true

having lived in Kent (southern england) for 6 years i know very well what country roads look like. many of the smallest ones are still single-car-wide only, with intermittent spots where one car can pull over to let another past

you seem to be presuming the whole of england exclusively had roads like that and it is simply not true. most roads allowed for traffic in both directions and were significantly wider, and many in the 40's had grass verges on either side to, its not as if they were lined by trees immediately next to them



i shall correct you, that is not at all what i thought (or posted)

and i suspect what you believe is an arterial road not covered by trees is instead a river in that screenshot

I do see the road you are referring to in the lower left that disappears into a forest, but I'd like to point out that it also does in fact completely disappear from the map in all other ways too. There is no bridge across the river or any other hint of that road continuing. I live in the U.S. (admittedly) but still have a sense of what a 2 lane road with grass verges is like as I grew up on such a road. It did in fact disappear into the canopy. There were huge tracts that were completely shaded and would be indiscernible from above.

My impression of U.K. rural roads are that many of them served as major thorough fares (much like the U.S.) up until the 1950s if I am incorrect in this assumption I apologize, but I am equally sure that my assesment is correct. Even our famous route 66 disappears into the canopies of forested land for large tracts.