Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[sk065]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Pretty sure that both Oleg and Ilya have posted on these topics before, or are misleading questions.

1. They have said they don't want to make misleading and shopped videos like other companies do. Most companies' early videos are teaser trailers that are rendered and not in game.

2. Ubisoft made the release statement, and they really don't give 2 shits they just want to get money.

3. I would hardly call those the "Main attractive features" sure they are great, and it has already been told to us that it just won't make initial release. This is the team that has continued to support a decade old simulator WHILE making a brand new significantly cutting edge simulator

4. The DRM doesn't sound awful, but 1C Maddox has little input on this, and yes I am against limited install DRM even if this isn't super restrictive like some we have seen in the past from Ubi.

5. This is far from half finished, and they have to get their money to continue supporting themselves and their families. They will support this game they aren't some huge dev house that fire and forgets what they make. They have proven that if nothing they are loyal to their fans.

I have to say yes I am a little disappointed about some of those facts (dynamic weather and DRM to be specific), but I have faith that 1C Maddox will support this simulator for years to come, and any features that aren't ready the day of release won't be as important as the features that are. Furthermore, that features that have been promised to this community will be in in future releases, and I don't believe it will be only with the purchase of expansions like other dev houses would do. They will be patches given freely, and that expansions and additions to the title that are paid for will add much more life both online and in single-plaI yer modes.

Once again Thank You to all the people at 1C Maddox for all your hard work and your diligent attention to this sometimes winy community.

I have to say that I think a lot of you have the blinkers on and are treating the devs with too much reverence. hey have yet to prove anything by means of decent gamplay videos, previews, reviews.

I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

I would suggest this game has run over time and over budget and they are just pushing it out 'as is' to get some return on it. STALKER anyone? The problem is, if it turns out to not sell then Ubi WILL drop it.

At the very least, this game has had a shocking marketing philosophy.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by sk065

I have to say that I think a lot of you have the blinkers on and are treating the devs with too much reverence. hey have yet to prove anything by means of decent gamplay videos, previews, reviews.

They proved themselves previously which does go a long way in building confidence.

I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

What makes you think there are no parachutes...? Hopefully not the various previous pics and videos that showed parachutes.

I would suggest this game has run over time and over budget and they are just pushing it out 'as is' to get some return on it. STALKER anyone? The problem is, if it turns out to not sell then Ubi WILL drop it.

There are some statements that the team would have had more things to work on if time permitted, but that's the normal case with sims and not unlike what we had with Il2. The logic that any dropped feature would prove that the development has gone wrong and the game will come out half-finished and buggy doesn't work for me. Sure it's possible, especially with Ubi involved, but at the moment there is little to indicate that. I'd be more worried if the devs would not discuss dropped features, and use marketing smokescreens like MS usually does (or Ubi themselves with Silent Hunter V) to hide any shortcomings.

At the very least, this game has had a shocking marketing philosophy

With Ubi in charge I didn't expect differently, but you sure have a point there. Let's hope the next weeks will finally see some marketing material released as now seems the right time to do so indeed.

[kestrel79]

Everyone watch the last 30 seconds of the IL2 footage from the official Igomir trailer. It's a plane flying flow through a pretty detailed city with very good, high fps. This footage looks amazing and I imagine this is how the game will run on most systems. Lets wait until the game comes out before we judge.

My brother brought up a pretty good point as well. We were talking about probably having to run the sim on lower settings on our computers...and he's like "even on the lowest settings I'm sure CoD will look just as good as IL2 currently does on our systems (unmodded)." And I was like yeah, that's a great point. CoD can't look any worse than IL2 right? That's positive right there as I still think IL2 looks great.

People who are wanting specs and videos of high end pcs, maxed graphics and whatnot just chilll out. Wait a few more weeks, get the sim yourself and fire it up on your super computer and test til your hearts content. I'm sure it will be FINE.

[HFC_Dolphin]

Originally Posted by kestrel79

Everyone watch the last 30 seconds of the IL2 footage from the official Igomir trailer. It's a plane flying flow through a pretty detailed city with very good, high fps. This footage looks amazing and I imagine this is how the game will run on most systems. Lets wait until the game comes out before we judge.

My brother brought up a pretty good point as well. We were talking about probably having to run the sim on lower settings on our computers...and he's like "even on the lowest settings I'm sure CoD will look just as good as IL2 currently does on our systems (unmodded)." And I was like yeah, that's a great point. CoD can't look any worse than IL2 right? That's positive right there as I still think IL2 looks great.

People who are wanting specs and videos of high end pcs, maxed graphics and whatnot just chilll out. Wait a few more weeks, get the sim yourself and fire it up on your super computer and test til your hearts content. I'm sure it will be FINE.

+100!!!

PS. I really do hope that lower settings won't need more power than IL-2 maximum settings at this moment. This way, many-many of us will be able to play the game without having to spend a fortune on day 1!

[Superluminal_8]

I thinking like this.It´s like il2 1946 but ten times better on everything,so what can go wrong No worries here.I put my faith in Oleg and co that they do a fine simulation as i put my faith in on doctor in a surgery.I have no clue how to do it but I´m sure it will be fine.

[Kikuchiyo]

Why are we worrying about whether or not current high end systems will be able to run this at full spec? Il-2 Sturmovik didn't meet that req at launch, and if anything it really increased the life span. Why are we hoping for something that will look like yesterday's news in 6 months? Wouldn't it be better if it was able to grow, or rather it's true potential be more revealed as our systems improved? Sturmovik looks damn fine for a decade old game. Why would we be hoping for a lesser offering from it's descendant? A lot of this pessimistic out look seems like sour grapes, or rather hoping for sour grapes.

Yeah, they released it before all features could be fully implemented because as they have said money has become a constraint, but also they have said they are very happy with what they are releasing. Would you take a project to the point that you were starving to ensure that there was absolutely no compromise even if you knew that you could sell it as is and be happy with what you put out, and full knowledge that you could improve it with the proceeds?

I have trust in Oleg's decision making because they have made the most comprehensive combat flight simulator in the past (after a decade of lesser attempts by other companies it still reigns supreme), and I fully expect this to be the second coming.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by sk065

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I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

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They are. What you saw in the video was the ability of a bailing out crewman to choose to freefall out of a danger area before pulling the ripcord.

It's actually a positive feature, not an omission.

I'm not joking either, by the way

[mazex]

Originally Posted by sk065

I have to say that I think a lot of you have the blinkers on and are treating the devs with too much reverence. hey have yet to prove anything by means of decent gamplay videos, previews, reviews.

I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

I would suggest this game has run over time and over budget and they are just pushing it out 'as is' to get some return on it. STALKER anyone? The problem is, if it turns out to not sell then Ubi WILL drop it.

At the very least, this game has had a shocking marketing philosophy.

Well their marketing at least dragged you here, for what good that is?

[sk065]

Originally Posted by mazex

Well their marketing at least dragged you here, for what good that is?

Im afraid not. Ive been a long time fan of IL2 and knew about this release when it was annouced a few years ago.

I have been a long time lurker of this forum as you will see from my join date.

Have we actually had an OFFICIAL statement about what aircraft are flyable? Come on 1C/Ubi.....

To me, screenshots mean nothing. It doesnt tell you anything about the game other than how it looks (it does look nice!)

I think a few people are frustrated, waiting this long for a game and a few weeks before release being told features have been removed/postponed with no substance to any of the information being provided by the devs.

Maybe i am a whiner...But I also think I have a level head. As for the argument about Il2 1946 being amazing ergo this title MUST be....Total BS. Again i refer to Sileny Hunter. SH3 was amazing...SH5 was pants.

That is all.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by sk065

Maybe i am a whiner...But I also think I have a level head. As for the argument about Il2 1946 being amazing ergo this title MUST be....Total BS. Again i refer to Sileny Hunter. SH3 was amazing...SH5 was pants.

Silent Hunter III was far from amazing to me, it had a whole range of bugs on release and was short of important features (just remember the 1024x768 max resolution), then dropped by the developers to sell you the same game (and the same bugs) again with parts IV and V. Sorry, no comparison to Il2 for me.

I don't find it unreasonable to expect that Maddox Games can produce a great flight sim a 2nd time. How good it is in the end will be decided once we have it in our hands - no amount of videos, development notes or PR will change that anyway.