Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[GOA_Potenz]

Ilya answer the phone

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

You're assuming a reviewer will have a crappy system, and not an advanced "high end" system that most review houses have. I think you are a detractor/troll/sperglord from what I've seen, and certainly a pessimist. Will it get high scores from most mass market reviewers? Probably not, but they review for the average gamer and not for niche market gamers like us. You frequently post non-constructive criticisms, and frankly have turned many people who are excited about this sim off of these forums, and I say that not as an uniformed poster, but as someone who reads other forums that are excited about this particular sim.

Yes thanks for that, but can you not see where your answer is fundamentally flawed, in that we dont know how it runs on a high end system, we keep begging Luthier and Oleg to show us some video on a real high end PC, we want to wave the Cliffs Of Dover flag and say jeez look how good this game runs if you've got the the right kit, hundreds of people are waiting to buy or build new systems and spend thousands just to play this game, but for some reason the devs are holding back on showing us this game run on a top end gaming rig.

[BadAim]

Oleg and Ilya, thank you for your wonderful work, and for the love that you put into it every day. I would hope to think that some of the naysayers would change their minds if they understood that it pains you guys as much as it does us (if not more) when you have to leave out or simplify a feature to get this sim to us in usable condition, after all it's you who has put all this work into it!

I just love the colors and the "feel" of the environment shown in these last shots. I really am looking forward to drivable vehicles, the scenery is that good. The "silvering" is going well.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

You're assuming a reviewer will have a crappy system, and not an advanced "high end" system that most review houses have. I think you are a detractor/troll/sperglord from what I've seen, and certainly a pessimist. Will it get high scores from most mass market reviewers? Probably not, but they review for the average gamer and not for niche market gamers like us. You frequently post non-constructive criticisms, and frankly have turned many people who are excited about this sim off of these forums, and I say that not as an uniformed poster, but as someone who reads other forums that are excited about this particular sim.

I used to subscribe to Maximum PC back in the day. It is a magazine aimed mostly at hardware verses an actual gaming software, though they reviewed 2 games a month. They reviewed FB quite highly (9 out of 10 if I recall). I was surprised because it was so out of the ordinary to see a simulation reviewed in that magazine. People will recognize quality.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Well theres no point sending the game to be reviewed by any PC mags without at first telling the potential reviewer what system specs he/she need to run the game smoothly, the first thing anybody will do in a battle of britian sim is whack the detail up and try and bomb London or defend it. As luthier as said this will only create a slide show hence the game review score will ultimately be very low.

You are twisting his words, as this is pretty much the opposite of what Luthier has said. He's using a mid-range computer which is not able to run the game in full detail over cities. Now can you tell me any other sim which did not require a high-end system for high-end settings?

Looks like you just can't let go off you agenda. And in case you missed it, the system specs you were demanding so vehemently have been released recently.

Besides, reviewers usually test games on several configurations to check the performance, as this information is normally part of a review. You think they need detailed instructions without which they are stuck? Ridiculous.

[HFC_Dolphin]

To make it simple, I think that what many people want to know is what requirements exist in order to play the game in maximum settings.

As far as I know this is known to developers for the initial release, but nevertheless, it's not their obligation to announce it a couple of months before the release and then have people cursing them because their setup doesn't play perfectly well the game.
Developer's job is to deliver the game. Our job is to play it, with whatever means we have available and I'm 110% sure that within a week of the release, we'll have plenty of official, but mostly unofficial, reviews with the game being tested in several settings. And things will take their way from then on and so will the patches.

I do understand people's frustration, afterall I'm one of them holding my buy for a new pc (and I know that my old pc won't make it for CoD...), but that's life, you can't have everything. Some will play the game from Day 1 and some will play it a few weeks later, when they manage to setup a new rig, able to unleash CoD's power

What matters in the end, is that still the best pilots will be shooting the less skilled ones, whatever setup anyone has

Emil Akhbar!!!

[sk065]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Pretty sure that both Oleg and Ilya have posted on these topics before, or are misleading questions.

1. They have said they don't want to make misleading and shopped videos like other companies do. Most companies' early videos are teaser trailers that are rendered and not in game.

2. Ubisoft made the release statement, and they really don't give 2 shits they just want to get money.

3. I would hardly call those the "Main attractive features" sure they are great, and it has already been told to us that it just won't make initial release. This is the team that has continued to support a decade old simulator WHILE making a brand new significantly cutting edge simulator

4. The DRM doesn't sound awful, but 1C Maddox has little input on this, and yes I am against limited install DRM even if this isn't super restrictive like some we have seen in the past from Ubi.

5. This is far from half finished, and they have to get their money to continue supporting themselves and their families. They will support this game they aren't some huge dev house that fire and forgets what they make. They have proven that if nothing they are loyal to their fans.

I have to say yes I am a little disappointed about some of those facts (dynamic weather and DRM to be specific), but I have faith that 1C Maddox will support this simulator for years to come, and any features that aren't ready the day of release won't be as important as the features that are. Furthermore, that features that have been promised to this community will be in in future releases, and I don't believe it will be only with the purchase of expansions like other dev houses would do. They will be patches given freely, and that expansions and additions to the title that are paid for will add much more life both online and in single-plaI yer modes.

Once again Thank You to all the people at 1C Maddox for all your hard work and your diligent attention to this sometimes winy community.

I have to say that I think a lot of you have the blinkers on and are treating the devs with too much reverence. hey have yet to prove anything by means of decent gamplay videos, previews, reviews.

I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

I would suggest this game has run over time and over budget and they are just pushing it out 'as is' to get some return on it. STALKER anyone? The problem is, if it turns out to not sell then Ubi WILL drop it.

At the very least, this game has had a shocking marketing philosophy.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by sk065

I have to say that I think a lot of you have the blinkers on and are treating the devs with too much reverence. hey have yet to prove anything by means of decent gamplay videos, previews, reviews.

They proved themselves previously which does go a long way in building confidence.

I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

What makes you think there are no parachutes...? Hopefully not the various previous pics and videos that showed parachutes.

I would suggest this game has run over time and over budget and they are just pushing it out 'as is' to get some return on it. STALKER anyone? The problem is, if it turns out to not sell then Ubi WILL drop it.

There are some statements that the team would have had more things to work on if time permitted, but that's the normal case with sims and not unlike what we had with Il2. The logic that any dropped feature would prove that the development has gone wrong and the game will come out half-finished and buggy doesn't work for me. Sure it's possible, especially with Ubi involved, but at the moment there is little to indicate that. I'd be more worried if the devs would not discuss dropped features, and use marketing smokescreens like MS usually does (or Ubi themselves with Silent Hunter V) to hide any shortcomings.

At the very least, this game has had a shocking marketing philosophy

With Ubi in charge I didn't expect differently, but you sure have a point there. Let's hope the next weeks will finally see some marketing material released as now seems the right time to do so indeed.

[kestrel79]

Everyone watch the last 30 seconds of the IL2 footage from the official Igomir trailer. It's a plane flying flow through a pretty detailed city with very good, high fps. This footage looks amazing and I imagine this is how the game will run on most systems. Lets wait until the game comes out before we judge.

My brother brought up a pretty good point as well. We were talking about probably having to run the sim on lower settings on our computers...and he's like "even on the lowest settings I'm sure CoD will look just as good as IL2 currently does on our systems (unmodded)." And I was like yeah, that's a great point. CoD can't look any worse than IL2 right? That's positive right there as I still think IL2 looks great.

People who are wanting specs and videos of high end pcs, maxed graphics and whatnot just chilll out. Wait a few more weeks, get the sim yourself and fire it up on your super computer and test til your hearts content. I'm sure it will be FINE.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by sk065

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I mean, the fact that parachutes arnt even modeled doesnt worry any of you?

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They are. What you saw in the video was the ability of a bailing out crewman to choose to freefall out of a danger area before pulling the ripcord.

It's actually a positive feature, not an omission.

I'm not joking either, by the way