Daidalos Team - Engine sounds

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by Bricks

I'm sorry, but that is not what Falke asked.

Your quote was given as an answer to the question whether engine-sounds from illegal modifications could be used for the official version. For the most obvious reasons you stated, they can not.

However, Falke's question was, whether DaedalusTeam is able or planning to improve (engine-)-Sounds in IL2. That does not implement to use the sounds taken from other games or resources protected by copy-rights.

It's a fair question of high interest for many players here. Let's not forget, that this was the initial reason, why the unofficial modifications spread so fast.

Now the DaedalusTeam has a chance to make official changes and addons, why not take the wind off their sails?

Hello,

see my reply #3 on p.1 and Caspar's response to it.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[Bricks]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Hello,

see my reply #3 on p.1 and Caspar's response to it.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

So?

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by Bricks

So?

Well, I stated that DT likely acknowledges that the sound samples in the stock game could do with some improving and Caspar basically agreed with that. Falke was asking if DT was willing to look into sound upgrades so we have our answer! The problem with implementing this is the afore-mentioned copyright and authenticity concerns (when adding community-made sound mods) and the large amount of work involved (if making a new, compliant sound mod) for a team with limited resources. I'm eternally optimistic and I think we'll see some movement on this at some point. I really like Azimech's suggestion. Instead of DT having to research & produce a new sound mod (or get permissions for the whole array of sounds from a community-made mod) they would need to adjust the structure of IL-2's sound sample storage in such a way that they could easily be replaced en-mass (they might even be able to insert some sort of doppler fly-by support like that of some of the mods). Sounds could be made accessible in the same way that aircraft skins are accessible currently. I remember hearing one of the DT members (Caspar or CsThor maybe??) saying that DT doesn't have a lot of expertise in sound production (perhaps this has changed?) but they do have expertise in coding and they have access to the dev tools. In my uninformed view, Azimech's solution plays to both DT's strengths in coding and game asset management and also to those of the community sound gurus like Jafa or Tiger33. I'd be very interested to hear what DT thinks of this.

Cheers (I love your avatar, btw),

Fafnir_6

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Well, I stated that DT likely acknowledges that the sound samples in the stock game could do with some improving and Caspar basically agreed with that. Falke was asking if DT was willing to look into sound upgrades so we have our answer! The problem with implementing this is the afore-mentioned copyright and authenticity concerns (when adding community-made sound mods) and the large amount of work involved (if making a new, compliant sound mod) for a team with limited resources. I'm eternally optimistic and I think we'll see some movement on this at some point. I really like Azimech's suggestion. Instead of DT having to research & produce a new sound mod (or get permissions for the whole array of sounds from a community-made mod) they would need to adjust the structure of IL-2's sound sample storage in such a way that they could easily be replaced en-mass (they might even be able to insert some sort of doppler fly-by support). Sounds could be made accessible in the same way that aircraft skins are accessible currently. I remember hearing one of the DT members (Caspar or CsThor maybe??) saying that DT doesn't have a lot of expertise in sound production (perhaps this has changed?) but they do have expertise in coding and they have access to the dev tools. In my uninformed view, Azimech's solution plays to both DT's strengths in coding and game asset management and also to those of the community sound gurus like Jafa or Tiger33. I'd be very interested to hear what DT thinks of this.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

The IL2 sound engine was created and made secure after some hacking a while back, its not as simple as messing with some sound samples, online security for sound hacks was a big problem and still is in modded IL2 versions.


When these sound samples from mod compilers are looked at they are simplistic and poor quality samples in most cases, I have heard nothing from any of them that sound as dynamic as the default IL2 1946 sound engine with my sound set up, not onboard sound and desktop speakers either, its been said before that a lot blame the poor IL2 sound engine when listening to it with low quality audio components.

To be able to record at the correct quality and dynamic range of all the required engines for IL2 would be a task to far I think .

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[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

The IL2 sound engine was created and made secure after some hacking a while back, its not as simple as messing with some sound samples, online security for sound hacks was a big problem and still is in modded IL2 versions.

When these sound samples from mod compilers are looked at they are simplistic and poor quality samples in most cases, I have heard nothing from any of them that sound as dynamic as the default IL2 1946 sound engine with my sound set up, not onboard sound and desktop speakers either, its been said before that a lot blame the poor IL2 sound engine when listening to it with low quality audio components.

To be able to record at the correct quality and dynamic range of all the required engines for IL2 would be a task to far I think .


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Ahh. I suppose there would be some problems... I wasn't suggesting opening up the sound engine per se. I was merely suggesting the creation of a new location for non-default wave files that the sound engine could be made to look for (maybe a switch in the sound setup for default or user-defined .wavs?). Naturally, security for online play should be paramount.

As for the quality of the modded sounds, could that not be the choice of the user? Right now I could make a real crappy skin for my Hellcat with the logo of Northrop Grumman lifted right from their website (just to spite them) and play with that. I know some people are devotees of the stock sounds (which is great, you are already happy) but many of us would like to be able to use Jafa, Tiger33, etc in our stock install. There is a reason that the first mod was soundmod.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Ahh.

As for the quality of the modded sounds, could that not be the choice of the user? Right now I could make a real crappy skin for my Hellcat with the logo of Northrop Grumman lifted right from their website (just to spite them) and play with that. I know some people are devotees of the stock sounds (which is great, you are already happy) but many of us would like to be able to use Jafa, Tiger33, etc in our stock install. There is a reason that the first mod was soundmod.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

I think we are agreeing along the same lines here, with keeping the online content secure, I'm more than happy with my stock sounds with my hardware, but I'm no stranger to the "dark side" mods.

The reason for the sound mod was people couldn't be bothered to upgrade their sound hardware and wanted someone else to fix it for free, I know that most will say they sound much better and I agree up to a certain point but they simply are not as dynamic or in depth as stock sounds and I don't mean the initial WoW flyby effect I mean the in cockpit sound when flying for an hour or more.




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[Bricks]

Thanks for your thorough reply, Fafnir_6!

I wasn't sure if Casper was referring to your post in general or to just a specific part. It would be cool if anybody official could be a bit more specific.



I'm not sure if the engine is the real problem. Yes, it has it's limitations - the sonar was already mentioned. But if you know "the dark side" there is at least room for optimization.

Question is: Is it worth the effort? The stuff already added is stunning, but you can gather the resources largely at home. Try that with a Merlin- or Jumo-Engine. I guess it's much more effort, especially on the legal/financial side.


Well, anyway. I got so used to the IL2-Sounds and how to amplify them to the best outcome, I sure can live with the vanilla sounds.