Surprising quality gun camera footage from japanese theatre.

[Sokol1]

Guy talking about shooting (german ) pilots in parachutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8LVl...layer_embedded

No mercy for Japanese sailors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6gFQH54k0M

Sokol1

[I/ZG52_Gaga]

er ..... when a person finds him self in life threating situation goes through a metamorphosis so to speak.

To the above add the "alien environment"

the fact you can't decide for your self

you are constantly under terrible stress

you are surrounded basically by males

females are scarce so tension builds up geometrically

and so on ...

That guy shooting those helpless persons in the water
would possibly even shoot his own mother in the very same black waters .

That 's the altered state of mind you possibly get into,
when you have shacked hands with death himself so to speak ...

It is my firm believe that we should refrain from judging things
that we wish, we'll never have to go through...

my point is war is war and xxxx happens,
let's hope it never happens again ... (as in WWIII)

how the yanks put it ...

my 2 or 3 cents ...

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Guy talking about shooting (german ) pilots in parachutes:

No mercy for Japanese sailors

Sokol1

Hopefully, I will get to listen to the Bud Peterson interview later tonight when I am on a PC with sound. Can't comment on it without sound.

The other video....did you notice the editing? That is creative editing. You see guys shooting, you see people in the water. You never see both images together.

The Japanese guy in the water at the end? He blew himself up with a grenade. Watch it again. Japanese prisoners were sometimes known to pull guns or grenades while surrendering. Sometimes they tried to take out Allies with their last act, sometimes their last act was just suicide to keep from being captured. Often, they swam away from enemy rescue vessels.

Or do you think that a ship or sub would stop in hostile waters to make sport of picking off survivors?

Good try though.

Splitter

EDIT: Just watched the second video again. Same conclusion: creative editing.

[WTE_Galway]

Off topic again Next we will be arguing about Calley and My Lai



One question though ... I don't understand why the original footage was deleted.

[Tacoma74]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Off topic again Next we will be arguing about Calley and My Lai



One question though ... I don't understand why the original footage was deleted.

I think because the original poster was irritated that the thread got so off topic. I don't blame him honestly... it's ridiculous. I'll admit i didn't help much but at least i tried getting things back on topic on the first page. I've never seen a forum quite like this, its kinda sad

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by Tacoma74

I think because the original poster was irritated that the thread got so off topic. I don't blame him honestly... it's ridiculous. I'll admit i didn't help much but at least i tried getting things back on topic on the first page. I've never seen a forum quite like this, its kinda sad

Yes, this forum is sad, in that everyone talks about stricter moderation to prevent topics from going off topic, but nothing ever gets done.

[Blackdog_kt]

Actually, stricter moderation was called for on the update threads only. For the rest of the thread, a few months ago there was an announcement that as long as things don't devolve into personal attacks the moderation on the rest of the board will be lax to allow for tangential discussions. This was because they tend to bring up some interesting things to light which would otherwise be completely bypassed.

The general reasoning behind it all is pretty sound. When there's specific information to be presented (like an update thread) off topic matters need to be kept to a minimum and it is enforced as such.
When we are just discussing other stuff, it's treated as a forum with a general interest in history and aviation, where people are allowed to stray from the topic as long as it's still about history, aviation and warfare , which is what we recreate on our PCs as a hobby.

[Tacoma74]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Actually, stricter moderation was called for on the update threads only. For the rest of the thread, a few months ago there was an announcement that as long as things don't devolve into personal attacks the moderation on the rest of the board will be lax to allow for tangential discussions. This was because they tend to bring up some interesting things to light which would otherwise be completely bypassed.

The general reasoning behind it all is pretty sound. When there's specific information to be presented (like an update thread) off topic matters need to be kept to a minimum and it is enforced as such.
When we are just discussing other stuff, it's treated as a forum with a general interest in history and aviation, where people are allowed to stray from the topic as long as it's still about history, aviation and warfare , which is what we recreate on our PCs as a hobby.

Yea that sounds fair enough i suppose. Although it can get somewhat frustrating when there is a specific topic you want to talk about and people interrupt with off topic nonsense. I'm not necessarily talking about this thread, but there have been some i've seen in the past like this. I usually butt-out of most threads though... unless there is something of vast interest to me, where i feel like i need to give my 2 cents.

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Guy talking about shooting (german ) pilots in parachutes:

Wow, that video made me want to kill a few people in real. Almost. Glad I can't do it


Edit: Nah, killing would be too ez fate for some.

[winny]

All this 'I'd kill a guy in a chute' talk is fine until it's you hanging from the chute.

BoB wise some of the top RAF commanders were quite happy to have thier men shooting at chutes, but it was Churchill who told them it wasn't acceptable (he saw it like shooting sailors in the sea which was also seen as not the done thing). Also, most allied aircrew were treated quite well if captured and there was a degree of respect between RAF/Luftwaffe.

Pacific was a whole different war.. It got very personal and the treatment of allied pilots was.. well, extreme. Allied pilots knew of the barbarism and so reacted in kind. There was a fight to the death mentality with the japanese that meant that they were treated with a lot less respect, on land and sea and in the air.

Eastern front was also a lot less chivalrous..