Surprising quality gun camera footage from japanese theatre.

[I/ZG52_Gaga]

er ..... when a person finds him self in life threating situation goes through a metamorphosis so to speak.

To the above add the "alien environment"

the fact you can't decide for your self

you are constantly under terrible stress

you are surrounded basically by males

females are scarce so tension builds up geometrically

and so on ...

That guy shooting those helpless persons in the water
would possibly even shoot his own mother in the very same black waters .

That 's the altered state of mind you possibly get into,
when you have shacked hands with death himself so to speak ...

It is my firm believe that we should refrain from judging things
that we wish, we'll never have to go through...

my point is war is war and xxxx happens,
let's hope it never happens again ... (as in WWIII)

how the yanks put it ...

my 2 or 3 cents ...

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Guy talking about shooting (german ) pilots in parachutes:

No mercy for Japanese sailors

Sokol1

Hopefully, I will get to listen to the Bud Peterson interview later tonight when I am on a PC with sound. Can't comment on it without sound.

The other video....did you notice the editing? That is creative editing. You see guys shooting, you see people in the water. You never see both images together.

The Japanese guy in the water at the end? He blew himself up with a grenade. Watch it again. Japanese prisoners were sometimes known to pull guns or grenades while surrendering. Sometimes they tried to take out Allies with their last act, sometimes their last act was just suicide to keep from being captured. Often, they swam away from enemy rescue vessels.

Or do you think that a ship or sub would stop in hostile waters to make sport of picking off survivors?

Good try though.

Splitter

EDIT: Just watched the second video again. Same conclusion: creative editing.

[WTE_Galway]

Off topic again Next we will be arguing about Calley and My Lai



One question though ... I don't understand why the original footage was deleted.

[Tacoma74]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Off topic again Next we will be arguing about Calley and My Lai



One question though ... I don't understand why the original footage was deleted.

I think because the original poster was irritated that the thread got so off topic. I don't blame him honestly... it's ridiculous. I'll admit i didn't help much but at least i tried getting things back on topic on the first page. I've never seen a forum quite like this, its kinda sad

[moilami]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Guy talking about shooting (german ) pilots in parachutes:

Wow, that video made me want to kill a few people in real. Almost. Glad I can't do it


Edit: Nah, killing would be too ez fate for some.

[winny]

All this 'I'd kill a guy in a chute' talk is fine until it's you hanging from the chute.

BoB wise some of the top RAF commanders were quite happy to have thier men shooting at chutes, but it was Churchill who told them it wasn't acceptable (he saw it like shooting sailors in the sea which was also seen as not the done thing). Also, most allied aircrew were treated quite well if captured and there was a degree of respect between RAF/Luftwaffe.

Pacific was a whole different war.. It got very personal and the treatment of allied pilots was.. well, extreme. Allied pilots knew of the barbarism and so reacted in kind. There was a fight to the death mentality with the japanese that meant that they were treated with a lot less respect, on land and sea and in the air.

Eastern front was also a lot less chivalrous..

[moilami]

Originally Posted by winny

All this 'I'd kill a guy in a chute' talk is fine until it's you hanging from the chute.

BoB wise some of the top RAF commanders were quite happy to have thier men shooting at chutes, but it was Churchill who told them it wasn't acceptable (he saw it like shooting sailors in the sea which was also seen as not the done thing). Also, most allied aircrew were treated quite well if captured and there was a degree of respect between RAF/Luftwaffe.

Pacific was a whole different war.. It got very personal and the treatment of allied pilots was.. well, extreme. Allied pilots knew of the barbarism and so reacted in kind. There was a fight to the death mentality with the japanese that meant that they were treated with a lot less respect, on land and sea and in the air.

Eastern front was also a lot less chivalrous..

In IL-2 the game shooting parachutes is just stupid because this game should be fun for all people, including the enemy, and remember without the enemy you would not have the game. And if you shoot for revenge a parachute in IL-2 you have played far too emotionally, and lost to your feelings. I don't though care abit if I get shot in parachute. Has happened, was irrelevant. Or maybe I lolled a little.

I don't say a word about chute shooting in WW2, but I would be interested to know did those who did it boast and laugh with it.

[Triggaaar]

Well since the OP removed the footage, there's not much else to talk about than war etiquette

Originally Posted by Wutz

Sorry do not agree on that, and yes I have done military service. Maybe I view it differantly, a foe who can fight is one thing a person who can not is another ball game.

My personal view on this, is that anyone who can fight, or can return to fight, is a valid target.

If a pilot is parachuting over their own territory, and you don't shoot them, they will get back in a new plane to kill people on your side. So using BoB, you could leave a bailed German bomber crew for them to come and bomb London a few days later

Originally Posted by Wutz

Well I think people have always differed on where the people able to defend themselves or not.

Whether or not someone can defend themselves is quite a funny rule of thumb for a war. If you're a sniper taking out someone in the distance that doesn't know you're there, they can't defend themselves. Being armed with the intention of attacking your side at some point, they are a very valid target, but defending themselves doesn't come into in. When you're in a bomber over an enemy target, they can no longer defend themselves.

But to allow a pilot to RTB so they can kill innocent people on your side is a crime to me. Shoot the chute!

[LegTaste]

why were the posts deleted?

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

But to allow a pilot to RTB so they can kill innocent people on your side is a crime to me. Shoot the chute!

By that rule of thumb during the BoB ,Allied pilots baling out would be shot but Axis pilots bailing out over the UK would be safe.
How many Allied pilots were proven to be shot in their chutes compared to how many got back to fight again .
It probably happened but not very common,not sure i could live with that on my conscience,but each to their own.