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Old 11-24-2010, 08:43 PM
LoBiSoMeM LoBiSoMeM is offline
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Unfortunately there hasn't been a good joystick since the MSFF2.
Try a cheap Thrustmaster 16000M. One year of heavy use here, modified to have longer shaft, and just perfect as the first day of use.

Maybe the moving parts don't last as long as a MSFF2, and I don't have FFB, but all the rest are really good.

One great and cheap piece of hardware, but with small recognition I don't know why.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:16 PM
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Thrustmaster 16000M uses Hall sensors, the old MS sticks some optical sensor instead of potentiometers found in most joysticks. Both don't wear out over time
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:56 PM
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Try a cheap Thrustmaster 16000M. One year of heavy use here, modified to have longer shaft, and just perfect as the first day of use.

Maybe the moving parts don't last as long as a MSFF2, and I don't have FFB, but all the rest are really good.

One great and cheap piece of hardware, but with small recognition I don't know why.
This one stick I've never owned, and it could be a very good stick. Unfortunately its all user relative. There were glowing reviews of most of the sticks I've owned, but I think the reviewers never had a good joystick to compare them too. One man's junk in another man's treasure.
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Old 11-25-2010, 05:37 AM
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This one stick I've never owned, and it could be a very good stick. Unfortunately its all user relative. There were glowing reviews of most of the sticks I've owned, but I think the reviewers never had a good joystick to compare them too. One man's junk in another man's treasure.
The resolution of TM16000M, the use of HALL in X/Y axes, and the price aren't relative. These facts make the joystick in question a bargain. JoyTest right now:



PS: Compare the minimum step and precision with X52pro...

Give it a try!

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Old 11-25-2010, 07:04 AM
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The resolution of TM16000M, the use of HALL in X/Y axes, and the price aren't relative. These facts make the joystick in question a bargain. JoyTest right now:



PS: Compare the minimum step and precision with X52pro...

Give it a try!
That test is impressive, fortunately I can no longer compare my X52. There wasn't anything I liked about it and got rid of it years ago. I still have the Cougar, CH Fighterstick, Aviator, and G940 as backups for my MSFF2. Although I use the Cougar throttle which is excellent.
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:07 AM
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pro...better build quality
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Old 11-25-2010, 10:28 AM
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well, i think i'll go for a PRO
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:13 PM
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hi i bough the pro and for first month was great,
then(swiss wrote)unfortunately there is plastic "gliding" on plastic lol how true, after all the google fixes i bought a 1600m and about a year later am still very happy, just starting to feel a little loose in middle maybe although i would recommend saitek throttle as 1600m one feels absolute crap if you can buy just this
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:17 PM
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I still have the Cougar, CH Fighterstick, Aviator, and G940 as backups for my MSFF2. Although I use the Cougar throttle which is excellent.
As something of a gear collector, maybe you can give me some advice I have an MSFF2 (well, 2), and I'd like a throttle for SoW. Any suggestions on which to get?

Thanks
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:45 PM
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As something of a gear collector, maybe you can give me some advice I have an MSFF2 (well, 2), and I'd like a throttle for SoW. Any suggestions on which to get?

Thanks
The Cougar throttle is the most comfortable and user friendly. It has a rotary in the perfect position for adjusting trim, and enough other buttons and rotaries that you would never have to use the keyboard atleast in prop sims. Unfortunately the throttle plugs into the Cougar joystick. I used to just keep the joystick on the floor, but I've since pulled the circuit board out of the joystick. You may find quite a few Cougars on ebay now that the Warthog has hit the market.

I'm interested in picking up a Warthog. The joystick looks to be very smooth and precise, and it has a dual throttle. Although the throttle doesn't have a rotary.

I currently use a MSFF2 with a Cougar Throttle, and Saitek Pro rudder pedals. I've had no problems with the Saitek rudder pedals other than their goofy Saitek toe brake programming.
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