Zuti MDS Still Not Ready For Prime Time.

[LoBiSoMeM]

MODs are "bad", but one MOD will be included in one official patch.

Maybe the "bad" 6DOF can be included too? And please, can we have at least 100º of FOV for us with widescreen monitors? I don't have one single real major bug with 6DOF, so I don't understand wht it isn't never included as one official patch. Just need to revamp some official cockpit models.

These 3 points will be all I and a great amount of community wants in a new offical patch: Moving Dogfight Server, 6DOF and full view in widescreen monitors, without the need to use the most buggy "mod".

I don't like to use hundreds of mods, but I can't fly without 6DOF anymore, and like to have decent FOV in my 22" monitor, and is cool to attack some moving column of cars in a DF server. These points are a must, and I don't care if they will be delivered "officially" or as "bad mods". Just want to use my hardware to improve my experience.

[zaelu]

Yes, I second that. Ability to set custom FOV for single monitor would be great. I use 106 for 16/9 aspect. The game grants this ability for triple head so why not for single wide screen?

I play now using San's FOV Changer (drinks on him!) but sometimes gets into trouble. It's nice that I can have the zoom on a anolog axis through it though.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I don't have one single real major bug with 6DOF, so I don't understand wht it isn't never included as one official patch. Just need to revamp some official cockpit models.

You have answered your question yourself. That work isn't so trivial, that usage of word "just" could be justified.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

You have answered your question yourself. That work isn't so trivial, that usage of word "just" could be justified.

Not only the word "just", but also the word "some" does not fit in there. It's more like, "All existing cockpit models should be remodeled, most of them quite extensively". Which is equal to several hundreds (if not thousand) of man-hours.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Not only the word "just", but also the word "some" does not fit in there. It's more like, "All existing cockpit models should be remodeled, most of them quite extensively". Which is equal to several hundreds (if not thousand) of man-hours.

Not true at all, sorry. Today pits can be used without so much trouble, the sim looks OK.

And minor glitches don't bother at all if the "solution" was not have 6DOF at all. IL2 is an "old" sim and we all will replace it by SoW series someday, and this "tweaks" don't need to be totally perfect, if perfection means don't have fundamental functionalities.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Not true at all, sorry. Today pits can be used without so much trouble, the sim looks OK.

Yeah, tell me more about IL-2 3D models, please.

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

And minor glitches don't bother at all if the "solution" was not have 6DOF at all. IL2 is an "old" sim and we all will replace it by SoW series someday, and this "tweaks" don't need to be totally perfect, if perfection means don't have fundamental functionalities.

We'd leave so called "minor glitches" to the mods. While they may not bother mod-maker wanna-bees, they do bother both original developers and DT.
Call it official position of both.

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Oleg said some time ago that 6DOF would never be implemented because of the MASSIVE amount of work that would be needed to redo the cockpits.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

Oleg said some time ago that 6DOF would never be implemented because of the MASSIVE amount of work that would be needed to redo the cockpits.

Well, "massive work" if you want no glitches at all, and I can understad that. He's a perfeccionist. And his team is working in a NEW TITLE WITH FULL 6DOF SUPPORT. Keep this in mind. DT is working in an "old" sim engine. And this "old" engine can handle 6DOF, but at some cost.

To the folk who said about 3D models, please don't assume everyone who talks with you is an idiot about some subject you believe you are some "mastermind" of universe, be more humble.

It's just a point of view issue:

- Some people believe isn't up to IL-2 standards have 6DOF with glitches, because the cockpits was moddled with 3DOF parameters in mind;

- Some people believe isn't up to IL-2 standards don't have 6DOF at all.

And I DOUBT any serious simmer like to fly without 6DOF. Please make official patches but stop assuming that peole are stupid. I'm the final user of the sim, the customer. If the "official opinion" goes opposite of the final consumer, it's a really strange marketing strategy.

Thanks!

[csThor]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Yeah, tell me more about IL-2 3D models, please.

LOL, Vladimir. Them KeWl Haxxor dudeZ know da shiznit, right?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

We'd leave so called "minor glitches" to the mods. While they may not bother mod-maker wanna-bees, they do bother both original developers and DT.
Call it official position of both.

By the way, we still have some "minor glitches" in official patches, as in any other game. I will never understand the need to reduce others works, in this case "mod-maker wanna-bees"...

Some of they are great and helps A LOT the games industry. If Oleg has bad memories about this, is something, but not recognize the great technical work of some modders (or hackers, if you want...) do in IL-2, I'm sorry, but I think it's wrong.

And some people are flying IL-2 untill today in great part because can have 6DOF, MDS and use larger FOV, like myself. I'm not an IL-2 modder, patcher, but I fly this sim since 2001, I'm the final user of all the great work of developers, modders, official patchers... And I fly IL-2 until 2010 and tell newbies in flight sims to buy IL-2 because we can use 6DOF, etc. So, this kind of "attitude" is really strange...

IL-2 last until today greatly by the "unofficial" modding comunity, at least with the hardcore simmers. But I'll let all "official patchers" doing the vital work to keep IL-2 up to date and will fly now with 6DOF. Thank you very much for your efforts! At least can change the maximum FOV setting, but maybe some gigantic glitch prevent doing such thing. Well, I can live in "device link" world...