Could 4.10 Update lock the SFS files again and reunite the online community?

[Kwiatek]

I haven't flew 4.09 vanilia from about one year. And truly speaking I do not regret it.
Mods gives second life for Il2. Im still playing online and with CRT=2 i know that we play still the same game. There are so many servers and all will find what they like. You dont want mods so play 4.09 servers your chooice. If you like UP so you could play Spits vs 109 Mods or great Battle of Britain server with CRT=2. I dont want to back to stock anymore.

[Flanker35M]

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Calling modders sh%theads SlipBall..Very slick, even immature. SoW with the certain aspects open for 3rd party additions..they are STILL mods. Like it or not. Mod is a commonly used word for content created by the players and not in a negative way. The start of them could have been better with IL-2 for sure, but nevertheless mods are here.

Maybe I do something wrong or even RTFM, because I have no problems joining mod servers. CRT=2 and Server Library makes it even easier as everyone have the same files and setup. Usually the server has a web page where they list mods used and in some cases in what order enabled via JSGME. How hard is it to take a moment and check it if in doubt?

4.1X will have features that sure interest me and will make me fly stock for a while. But stock does not have the new maps or their repaints, new effects and cockpits for example. Der Wüstenfuchs's Bf109 pits or C6_Claymore's Fw190 refreshes wipe the floor with stock ones, Freddy's new P47 or P51 pits..just to name a few...and they run just fine on my rig. I am not a masochist trying to run IL-2 on a jurassic computer, even today's laptops are better than the minimum specs There are other games too than IL-2 that require a helluva lot more horsepower to run..figure the rest.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

[SNIP]Der Wüstenfuchs's Bf109 pits or C6_Claymore's Fw190 refreshes wipe the floor with stock ones, Freddy's new P47 or P51 pits ...[SNAP]

... and while doing so exceed official limits so far that they can't even see them as a dot on the horizon anymore. Yeah, and a DB 605 would just do fine in that SLK, wouldn't it?

Bottom line: That particular genie has been out of its bottle for years now and there's no way to put him back inside.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

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Calling modders sh%theads SlipBall..Very slick, even immature. .

I was referring to the pimple faced hackers who cracked the code in the first place.

[zaelu]

My opinion is that people that cry now about mods are people that tomorrow will not play SoW BoB cause it will be a too much change for them.

You know... like people that played CS 1 and then "by the guts" felt CS 2 wasn't good. It's "the change" and necessity to adapt to it that puts people off... the rest is just "the justification"... Having mods that does indeed bring few problems is an excellent "scapegoat".

If you play online and you are "annoyed" by cheaters and abusers then is a good sign you play in the wrong room.

Is my belief that most of the whining about mods people play in "easy" dogfights servers surrounded by immature players. I didn't had experienced any "annoying" abusers on virtual wars or established great realistic servers. I'm sure there are "cheaters/abusers" even there but far less cause the "goal" of the game is not "quick 5 minutes runs to the furball" that attract the normal cheat clients.

these are my 2 cets... that probably no one asked for but are for free .

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by zaelu

My opinion is that people that cry now about mods are people that tomorrow will not play SoW BoB cause it will be a too much change for them.

You know... like people that played CS 1 and then "by the guts" felt CS 2 wasn't good. It's "the change" and necessity to adapt to it that puts people off... the rest is just "the justification"... Having mods that does indeed bring few problems is an excellent "scapegoat".

If you play online and you are "annoyed" by cheaters and abusers then is a good sign you play in the wrong room.

Is my belief that most of the whining about mods people play in "easy" dogfights servers surrounded by immature players. I didn't had experienced any "annoying" abusers on virtual wars or established great realistic servers. I'm sure there are "cheaters/abusers" even there but far less cause the "goal" of the game is not "quick 5 minutes runs to the furball" that attract the normal cheat clients.

these are my 2 cets... that probably no one asked for but are for free .

+1 fot that. The "mods" unlock what was supposed to be locked, that isn't "nice", but some of the final achievements made by the modding community are marvelous, and improved a LOT the gameplay.

Don't recognize that is live in dark. In 2010 I can't fly in a sim witout 6DOF, an need to have widescreen support without a lot of my "up/down" view taken away.

I never undestand why those two points are isn't some "official" patch, but are in the "MODs". The "official" patch adds new cool contentes, but don't change these two really "patch issues"...

Strange!

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

I haven't flew 4.09 vanilia from about one year. And truly speaking I do not regret it.
Mods gives second life for Il2. Im still playing online and with CRT=2 i know that we play still the same game. There are so many servers and all will find what they like. You dont want mods so play 4.09 servers your chooice. If you like UP so you could play Spits vs 109 Mods or great Battle of Britain server with CRT=2. I dont want to back to stock anymore.

Exactly the same for me.Without mods,I would have given up on il2 long ago.With the mods,its (almost) like a new sim.
The early days of the mods was messy,but now with UP and jsgme its easy.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i didnt use MODs for a very long time, my 99,9% online flying (and i fly only online) is COOP in the VOW. VOW is 4.09 default (unfortutnalty 4.10 wasnt released before the actual run of it ).

VOW is dieing unfortunatly.....for whatever reason (missions are biased, bad planeset, bad missions - the typical online war complain stuff i guess , and sure, the MODs)
and COOP online wars a rare nowadays
so, to fly the dogfightservers (man, i am so fast boored to hell on these.......) most populated in the HL, you are forced to have a MOD.

and its true, nowadays they are easy to use , huge download , but easy to install and use.
but for me personaly they bring nothing realy new. They are just needed to be able to join.
anyway, there are here and will stay . Thats ok.
and the most servers will stay 4.09 till "their" MODs are able to run at 4.10 IMHO !

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

and the most servers will stay 4.09 till "their" MODs are able to run at 4.10 IMHO !

Unfortunately I agree.Not many servers will run 4.10 until a new UP or HSFX modpack is released.

[KG26_Alpha]

At least dedicated servers will be able to run official MDS v4.10 hopefully pulling in the v4.09m fliers.
Problem is vanilla fliers wont really know what MDS is about, it can be a steep learning curve.

Maps were the only reason I use a non standard version of IL2, as the game was getting boring with limited theatres the maps bought new life to IL2 1946.