Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I think we are all going to learn alot about type of ammo we use in the SOW.
The British aircraft are using pea shooter .303.
It will take alot of lead to put down any German aircraft with .303 unless we have some sophisticated ammo loadouts.
I still do the BOB II WOV. I can't tell you how many times I have emptied my guns and didn't knock down a single aircraft.
Finally, I learned to get extremely close before firing...then and only then do I get kills.
The SOW will definitely be a new world for most of us after we've been flying the late war aircraft in IL2 with all the firepower available.
6guns x 50calibers vs 8 guns X .303 calibers
Yes, I know the British did some miraculous work in the BOB.

Agreed! What I meant was how will we know if a kill is made due to ammo mix, as against just happening to hit a vital part of the aircraft whilst trying to avoid return fire and the fighter escorts?

The 8 and 12 x .303 gun Hurris were in IL2 though, from FB on, also in Pacific Fighters, and worked fine. Didn't the early P-40's in IL2 also carry .303's? Or were they all .50 cal?

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

What I meant was how will we know if a kill is made due to ammo mix, as against just happening to hit a vital part of the aircraft whilst trying to avoid return fire and the fighter escorts?

Why would you need to know? If you want to know for training purposes, just set-up an off-line mission where you shoot at an enemy bomber that is unarmed, and keep practicing with different ammo mixes, and see how much damage you can do. Am I missing your point (if so, what is it)?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Why would you need to know? If you want to know for training purposes, just set-up an off-line mission where you shoot at an enemy bomber that is unarmed, and keep practicing with different ammo mixes, and see how much damage you can do. Am I missing your point (if so, what is it)?

I don't really need to know, which is my point!

Phil called it 'an important part of the shooting experience'.
If I'm shooting at something in online combat, there is so much movement that it's impossible to see how many bullet strikes there are in any given burst, let alone what proportion of which bullet made the hit.

Plus, I'm usually far too adrenalised to analyse the results with any semblance of empiricism.

[philip.ed]

By important, I also meant the fun-factor; the fun (be it slightly destructive) of seeing your bullets destroy the enemy A/C. Personally, I'd love to try out different types of ammo, as it would really put me into the genre, and feel like I have a lot of control over my own, personal, plane. at the end of the day, whether you can shoot down that enemy A/C can be a life or death situation. Luckily this isn't the case literally for us, but it really adds to the immersion

[swiss]

Maybe a lot of the ppl think if they had different ammo/mix/more or less tracers they would score more kills.

I hate to tell you but: That's an illusion.

It's not the ammo, it's the pilot.

[Trumper]

A huge majority of real fighter pilots never scored a kill let alone made "Ace".
In reality a large percentage of us will get shot down,injured and killed before getting any hits to take the opposition down.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Trumper

A huge majority of real fighter pilots never scored a kill let alone made "Ace".
In reality a large percentage of us will get shot down,injured and killed before getting any hits to take the opposition down.

"in reality", most of us wouldn't even make it off the runway.
(includes me)

[Redwan]

Originally Posted by swiss

"in reality", most of us wouldn't even make it off the runway.
(includes me)

... if by miracle they manage to start the engine ....

[SQB]

Originally Posted by swiss

"in reality", most of us wouldn't even make it off the runway.
(includes me)

swiss, dont be that way

i tried a flight the other day in a single prop plane... i didnt even have a license back then

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by Trumper

A huge majority of real fighter pilots never scored a kill let alone made "Ace".
In reality a large percentage of us will get shot down,injured and killed before getting any hits to take the opposition down.

About 5% of the pilots was responsible for about 40% of enemy aircraft that were shot down. The other pilots couldn't shoot or were too busy to not get shot down so they could not fire.