Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[AndyJWest]

Well, the whiners are presumably doing it in their own free time too, so I don't see why I shouldn't state my disappontment at the forum being spammed by them.

I expect TD are disapponted that they made the mistake of giving a release date. No doubt they could have released something at that date if they absolutely had to. Would you have been happier if they had? With the consequent bugginess and lack of features this would have entailed?

It has already been pointed out countless times that a significant reason for the delay was through being given access by 1C:Maddox to new tools enabling them to perform patch compilation etc themselves. Such new tools obviously require time to learn how to use to the best advantage.

The patch will also include features not originally scheduled for release.

[Avimimus]

Watch out - some people will be disappointed if you talk about "features not scheduled for the original release" and start complaining about how their fantasy's aren't fulfilled.

There are way more features than I'd have expected. They've also included new aircraft at the last minute (Do-217, Fairies etc.)

[rjhill899]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Well, the whiners are presumably doing it in their own free time too, so I don't see why I shouldn't state my disappontment at the forum being spammed by them..

This statement is just plain stupid.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I expect TD are disapponted that they made the mistake of giving a release date. No doubt they could have released something at that date if they absolutely had to. Would you have been happier if they had? With the consequent bugginess and lack of features this would have entailed?

No, it is the lack of communication that is the problem.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

It has already been pointed out countless times that a significant reason for the delay was through being given access by 1C:Maddox to new tools enabling them to perform patch compilation etc themselves. Such new tools obviously require time to learn how to use to the best advantage.

The patch will also include features not originally scheduled for release.

Which is where project management comes in to play also.

No disrespect is intended here, but it is not our fault something was promised at a certain point in time and not delivered. TD does not have to do this, but they chose to. They gave a time line and yes, most of the time there will be problems and delays. I think everyone understands that. What they do not understand is why very few updates about the status are being posted.
And to answer the questions i know will follow this, yes, the words Still testing would be fine.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by rjhill899

Which is where project management comes in to play also.

MBA student? You really seem a bit obsessed with that term.

No disrespect is intended here, but it is not our fault something was promised at a certain point in time and not delivered. TD does not have to do this, but they chose to. They gave a time line and yes, most of the time there will be problems and delays. I think everyone understands that. What they do not understand is why very few updates about the status are being posted.
And to answer the questions i know will follow this, yes, the words Still testing would be fine.

They did not promise anything and it can be taken for granted that any free-time development will have a higher rate of delays because of real-life issues. The current status is that they are testing and as long as no other information is given this stands, so I fail to see the benefit of repeating that time and again. Even if they did this wouldn't make a difference to the people suffering from "spoiled brat syndrome" as they would still demand further explanations and justifications, and come up with the usual conspiracy theories. Been there, done that.

[Romanator21]

DT is run by volunteers who love what they do, not by some centralized corporation with dedicated "project managers".

Nothing was ever promised, nor owed, by DT. Just be happy you're getting a patch at all, and don't feel so entitled to one.

But since you seem to know a lot about project management, would you like to volunteer to "help" them out? I'm sure you would do an excellent job.

[AndyJWest]

Ah, yes, the 'insult the workers so they work harder' school of 'management'. They aren't your employees, or anyone else's.

AS for 'project management', can you please tell us how it is possible to timetable a voluntary spare-time project, using tools you've never seen, developing new software to integrate with a system that it's own design team acknowledges is 'incestuous code', and adding further features while developing?

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

Quick note to self - Don't annoy TOOZ!

TD have done a fantastic job in the past. I sure when they finish the new patch it'll add a whole new lease of life to IL2. Keep up the good work TD!

Cheers!

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

No, not likely. DT members are not that bloodthirsty. They rather come here to read all those BS comments for a good laugh.

So, no need to fight, just let people make fools of themselves - it is much more effective and costs less of your energy.

[rjhill899]

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:!

I read them all before posting anything

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!!

Actually yes, I have and still do whenever the need arises. But I do not do it in the middle or near the end of the project I am working on unless it is a have to situation.

I also work a full time job and do outside projects for family, friends and the like all the time. This is my free time and I manage it very well.

Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

Wasn't asking for a long heart to heart conversation, was just looking for an update of something along the lines, "hey everyone, we still working on it".
MicroWave has done that and it is greatly appreciated.