Pony talk

[Romanator21]

I agree with Blackdog completely.

I would like to add that I feel it's too difficult to start an overheat in the first place. Another quirk is that the overheat doesn't do any damage to the engine until it's been in the overheat condition for at least a few minutes.

[ElAurens]

"Feeling" that something is too difficult is not good enough.

Empirical data is the only way to set such parameters.

Frankly most aircraft in the sim overheat far too readily in flight, especially the air cooled birds, FW 190 A excepted.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

I agree with Blackdog completely.

I would like to add that I feel it's too difficult to start an overheat in the first place. Another quirk is that the overheat doesn't do any damage to the engine until it's been in the overheat condition for at least a few minutes.

How do you avoid an overheat? You say you find it difficult to start one, I cant help but start overheat haha...I try to fly on lower power settings till combat then I run 110% and change my throttle throughout the battle as neccesary but I always wind up with an overheat...I just got out of a SP game and my engine died b/c of overheat...it was overheating for quite some time haha....P51 is still not impressing me hahah Although the Ultra mod Pack and HSFX does make it quite alot better then the base Il2...it actually flies now atleast, then to boot the Blue Nosed bastards of bodany skin makes it pretty awesome.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

"Feeling" that something is too difficult is not good enough.

Empirical data is the only way to set such parameters.

Frankly most aircraft in the sim overheat far too readily in flight, especially the air cooled birds, FW 190 A excepted.

I think IL2 models a lot of things very well. What's missing is that they have no effect whatsoever on engine condition, not unless the engine completes one full "session" of overheat to trigger the seizing effect. If the "session" is reset (by going back to normal temps before damage starts to occur), then the engine is as good as new.

In reality, things would be more gradual. The engine would start exhibiting troublesome behaviour earlier (this doesn't mean it would always be detectable though, it could a background occurence that would take extra abuse to show symptoms) which although not outright fatal, would accumulate over time for every instance the pilot pushed it beyond the normal envelope.

[Romanator21]

How do you avoid an overheat? You say you find it difficult to start one, I cant help but start overheat haha...I try to fly on lower power settings till combat then I run 110% and change my throttle throughout the battle as neccesary but I always wind up with an overheat...I just got out of a SP game and my engine died b/c of overheat...it was overheating for quite some time haha....P51 is still not impressing me hahah Although the Ultra mod Pack and HSFX does make it quite alot better then the base Il2...it actually flies now atleast, then to boot the Blue Nosed bastards of bodany skin makes it pretty awesome.

You see, at the start of combat, you do not push the throttle to 110% and then go from there. You would not be able to do that for more than a minute in the best of circumstances.

The engine will die eventually from overheating, but that's over a period of 5-10 minutes. The engine damage clock resets each time the engine is brought down to a "normal" condition, even if for just a second.

If you're having problems with the Mustang, I suggest first and foremost to never use the boost setting when at low altitudes (3000m or less) It provides no increase in speed over 100% and simply raises the engine temperature (a great deal).

The Mustang is not a Spitfire - although it has a similar engine, the weight is far greater. The only reason that it's faster than the Spitfire is because of excellent aerodynamic properties. However, this doesn't make the plane magical and you still need to work harder than in most planes to conserve your speed. Keep up that speed at all costs, and you will at least survive. Don't pull excessively tight turns or steep climbs and expect to be able to start running again afterwords.

Finally, use CEM to your advantage. Don't fly around the entire fight at 100-100. Lower power and pitch when diving to gain more speed, increase when climbing. In a combat situation where I need to run straight and level, my prop pitch is 75-80% and power as low as 70%. I can outrun almost anything this way, reaching 350mph on the deck provided I hadn't just killed all of my speed in a turn - the relatively slow acceleration of the P-51 in level flight can be problematic against an enemy who can get from 200mph to 300mph faster than I can.

However, Il-2 doesn't care if you over-boost the engine, so I could just forget the throttle, leave it at 100% and just worry about managing my prop pitch.

"Feeling" that something is too difficult is not good enough.

Empirical data is the only way to set such parameters.

Frankly most aircraft in the sim overheat far too readily in flight, especially the air cooled birds, FW 190 A excepted.

I'm not trying to set parameters, just explaining my opinion on the matter. I still play the same game as everyone else ultimately. But like I said, I rarely reach an overheat condition, even with some of the infamously "hot" aircraft.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

I'm not trying to set parameters, just explaining my opinion on the matter. I still play the same game as everyone else ultimately. But like I said, I rarely reach an overheat condition, even with some of the infamously "hot" aircraft.

What do you think of the Ki-61? I pretty much run that one with rads open most of the time. Found any sweet spots with pitch/rpm percentages and throttle positions?

[IceFire]

Oh... one thing came to mind as I was writing the last post (don't ask how I switched gears so quickly) but when it comes to "Pony talk" it's almost always about the P-51D or maybe about the P-51B/C... The planes that we never seem to talk about and are so rarely represented in a simulator (have they ever been?) are the Mustang Mark I, P-51A/Mustang Mark II and the A-36 Apache.

I truly hope we can see some or many of these versions in Storm of War's follow on theaters.

[ElAurens]

Agreed.

The Allison engined Mustangs, though overshadowed by their Merlin powered cousins, were not extactly dogs.

As I have mentioned before, the RAF's Mustang Is were the fastest aircraft in Europe below 15,000ft. when they went into service. There was simply nothing else that fast.

Plus, they would be needed for a proper Med theatre expansion, as the A-36 was widely used, and to good effect, by the USAAF in North Africa.