Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[t4trouble]

For people that keep saying i dont see dis or that,
the game is not finished, im sure once we have
the full game on our computers the first words out
of our mouths will be WOW

Originally Posted by t4trouble

For people that keep saying i dont see dis or that,
the game is not finished, im sure once we have
the full game on our computers the first words out
of our mouths will be WOW

Well said...And we have to remember something here...

The most picky , nitpicking and critisizing guy on this forum, according to Oleg's team is ............?

OLEG MADDOX!!!

Salute !

[Sutts]

Very nice update Oleg. Thanks for taking the time to post the nice video with sound. The new sound is so immersive, you could really be there.

[furbs]

a couple more vids...
heres one showing a spitfire shooting up a he111, forward the vid to 3.00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nFHQEyC2WE

the smoke here looks like its just from 20mm cannon from a 109, dont think i see tracers or smoke from MGs though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SxOI...eature=related

by the way not moaning about SOW tracers or lack of smoke, Oleg said they have it sorted, just thought people might want a look

[easytarget3]

About the tracers, dont forget, most of the info goes from footage of film cameras, very old ones, with many technicals limitations on very very shaky platforms, i mention this just for the spiral and curve observations.Also shatter speed and other settings.Anyway its amazing how well some of the footage turned out, considering the conditions.

[Sutts]

In terms of tracer smoke, there is no doubt in my mind that certain .303 tracer rounds did emit smoke trails. The following is quite a well known picture of the RAF attacking an He111 formation. I've seen it as a film before but could only find this still image today.

Look closely and you'll see multiple parallel smoke trails produced by a bank of 303s belonging to a Spitfire or Hurricane. You can see more trails on the He111 itself where the rounds of another plane are finding the target.

While I agree that things like spirals and zig-zags are most likely artifacts created by camera wobble etc., the camera cannot create a smoke trail if it wasn't there.

If Oleg chooses to model a type that didn't emit smoke then that's fine by me. This is just intended to counter the old argument that .303 tracers never smoked.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Sutts

In terms of tracer smoke, there is no doubt in my mind that certain .303 tracer rounds did emit smoke trails. The following is quite a well known picture of the RAF attacking an He111 formation. I've seen it as a film before but could only find this still image today.

Look closely and you'll see multiple parallel smoke trails produced by a bank of 303s belonging to a Spitfire or Hurricane. You can see more trails on the He111 itself where the rounds of another plane are finding the target.

While I agree that things like spirals and zig-zags are most likely artifacts created by camera wobble etc., the camera cannot create a smoke trail if it wasn't there.

If Oleg chooses to model a type that didn't emit smoke then that's fine by me. This is just intended to counter the old argument that .303 tracers never smoked.

I've been searching but I still can't find the film behind this still shot. I've definitely seen it on a number of occasions. Can anyone help please?

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Sutts

If Oleg chooses to model a type that didn't emit smoke then that's fine by me. This is just intended to counter the old argument that .303 tracers never smoked.

Firstly, I think that Oleg was saying that they have many types of round modelled but not yet applied, so what we are seeing is not the real thing.

Secondly, I would be disappointed if smoke wasn't shown because it's pretty clear that smoke does occur whether it be from the round itself or the atmosphere. One of the biggest difficulties I have found in IL2 is to know where you are firing with .50cal and lower, the addition of the Holy Grail and Potenz effect pack was possibly the best mod ever produced imho and if you have ever looked at the comparison videos on you tube (I posted one in a previous thread before) you will see the similarities.
Other effects I would like to see are tracer rounds bouncing off the sea, land and targets at various angles - this is very clear in a lot of the USAAF ground attack footage from P-47s

[=XIII=Shea]

Looks fantastic,thanks oleg

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Firstly, I think that Oleg was saying that they have many types of round modelled but not yet applied, so what we are seeing is not the real thing.

Secondly, I would be disappointed if smoke wasn't shown because it's pretty clear that smoke does occur whether it be from the round itself or the atmosphere. One of the biggest difficulties I have found in IL2 is to know where you are firing with .50cal and lower, the addition of the Holy Grail and Potenz effect pack was possibly the best mod ever produced imho and if you have ever looked at the comparison videos on you tube (I posted one in a previous thread before) you will see the similarities.
Other effects I would like to see are tracer rounds bouncing off the sea, land and targets at various angles - this is very clear in a lot of the USAAF ground attack footage from P-47s

Luthier posted a request several months back for ballistics information about how rounds ricocheted off water!! They apparently already had the land ricochets sorted, but were looking for accurate info to programme water ricochets.

Oleg has said this regarding the tracers:

Originally Posted by philip.ed
Very nice video Oleg!

But with the RAF tracer, in gun-cam films I've seen, the tracer has had smoke-trails which are missing from SoW. Will these be added? I think it really adds to the immersion.

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

We have many different various... Just to be sure the traces modeling is according war time document's descrition of the bullets(with its construction, type of traces, color lighting etc). Orignal UK doc. Same for Germans

Originally Posted by IceFire
Oleg I have one question: I've noticed that the British .303 tracers we've seen so far in video and elsewhere are white. Was this really the case? Just development? I thought most of the British/American guns fired red tracers... This was the case in IL-2 but also what I had previous read.

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

They are different depending of the type of the bullets with tracers and the year of use.

Think we can take from this that there will be various types modelled, including presumably, those with smoke trails.

Also, some of the film people have provided showing various tracers are not very useful - one had so much editing that it was completely useless as a reference - Spits turned into Hurricanes, presence of FW190s indicated film shot later than 1940, clips of what I think were Hurri 2C's (?), etc.