Friday 2010-10-22 Dev. update and Discussion

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by major_setback

It really seems pointless asking what machine screenshots were taken on when we don't know if wind and turbulence etc. are turned off; how many other objects are loaded; if AI is present (and calculated for); if he was gaming at a quarter normal speed or not, or even what frame rate he had.

Agreed

And like Oleg said, the game isn't finished yet, so how can he know what is required? A simple cloud improvement (or flames, explosions, sound, hedgerows, trees etc.) might affect everything.

I don't agree with you there. I think Oleg should have a rough idea of what's needed, but there could be a few reasons he hasn't said yet. He may not want to set himself up for a fall (why make a prediction that gains you nothing but will be critisised when it turns out not quite right), he may have agreed with the publishers to leave that sort of information to them, who knows.

While unfinished details (like your examples) will effect requirements, simple improvements shouldn't cost too much performance, or they wouldn't be able to justify them. You wouldn't want the development team saying they'd tweaked the clouds, flames and trees a little, but the game was now half the speed.

[Mustang]

A present PC cannot handle all the polygons in IL2.

In a city with many, many buildings, the use of the GPU (video Card) can be of 10%.

But your CPU generates a FPS fall, if you have intel I7 also you get FPS fall.
The number of polygons causes fear to me.

DX11 Tessellation, CPU multi-threading‎, CUDA and others new technology maybe make all more easy

I am not programmer,

But Everything is into the hands of the motor of BOB. maybe...


I find this site

http://heinkill.webs.com/stormofwarnews.htm

Have a screen shot FPS AVG 14 FPS. over sea.


Sorry for my bad english

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Mustang

A present PC cannot handle all the polygons in IL2.

In a city with many, many buildings, the use of the GPU (video Card) can be of 10%.

But your CPU generates a FPS fall, if you have intel I7 also you get FPS fall.
The number of polygons causes fear to me.

DX11 Tessellation, CPU multi-threading‎, CUDA and others new technology maybe make all more easy

I am not programmer,

But Everything is into the hands of the motor of BOB. maybe...


I find this site

http://heinkill.webs.com/stormofwarnews.htm

Have a screen shot FPS AVG 14 FPS. over sea.


Sorry for my bad english

That poor performance in certain portions of IL-2 regardless of how powerful your system is has more to do with the age of the game engine and it's ability to pump out objects than it does with the specific number of polys on screen. Newer games have far more detail than some IL-2 scenes and they run without problem.

Also regarding that FPS number... until they start going through final checks the game engine will have a lot of inefficiencies PLUS debugging code. All of this can slow the game down significantly. We also have no idea what kind of system was displaying that. This is why we don't want the game now... we want the finished game later

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by IceFire

That poor performance in certain portions of IL-2 regardless of how powerful your system is has more to do with the age of the game engine and it's ability to pump out objects than it does with the specific number of polys on screen. Newer games have far more detail than some IL-2 scenes and they run without problem.

Also regarding that FPS number... until they start going through final checks the game engine will have a lot of inefficiencies PLUS debugging code. All of this can slow the game down significantly. We also have no idea what kind of system was displaying that. This is why we don't want the game now... we want the finished game later

I've just upgraded my graphics card to a GTX460, in the black death track In IL2, I'm normal getting from about 50FPS up to 100+ frames per second, but there are a couple of points over the airfield where the frame rates drop, the worst being there the La and 190 colide which drops down to about 24FPS. This minimum speed is just about identical with the 9800GTX I replaced. There must be something funny happening there???

When it comes down to it, the high and average frame rates are good for bragging rights (I normally run with Vsync on anyway) but the minimum speeds will make or break the sim for me.

Hopefully the optimisation process for SOW doesn't take too long! (Ifi it does take a while I'll be able to afford another '460 for some SLI goodnesss - If it's of any use in the new sim of course)

Cheers

[albx]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

I've just upgraded my graphics card to a GTX460, in the black death track In IL2, I'm normal getting from about 50FPS up to 100+ frames per second, but there are a couple of points over the airfield where the frame rates drop, the worst being there the La and 190 colide which drops down to about 24FPS. This minimum speed is just about identical with the 9800GTX I replaced. There must be something funny happening there???

When it comes down to it, the high and average frame rates are good for bragging rights (I normally run with Vsync on anyway) but the minimum speeds will make or break the sim for me.

Hopefully the optimisation process for SOW doesn't take too long! (Ifi it does take a while I'll be able to afford another '460 for some SLI goodnesss - If it's of any use in the new sim of course)

Cheers

more CPU demanding, i just upgraded my CPU and got more FPS

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by albx

more CPU demanding, i just upgraded my CPU and got more FPS

Unfortunately I'm stuck on socket 775 for the moment, My recent cpu upgrade (which by the way made ROF quite a bit smoother) was from a core2Duo@3.6Ghz to a Quad core @3.6Ghz - unforuantely IL2 get's no advantage from this. hopefully SOW will take advantage of the extra cores!

Cheers!

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Unfortunately I'm stuck on socket 775 for the moment, My recent cpu upgrade (which by the way made ROF quite a bit smoother) was from a core2Duo@3.6Ghz to a Quad core @3.6Ghz - unforuantely IL2 get's no advantage from this. hopefully SOW will take advantage of the extra cores!

Cheers!

Il2 is an older game engine and GPU's were limited back then. I suspect a lot of the graphics workload that IL2 currently offloads to the CPU will be handled by the GPU in SOW.

Also as you say SOW should take more advantage of multiple cores.

[albx]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Unfortunately I'm stuck on socket 775 for the moment, My recent cpu upgrade (which by the way made ROF quite a bit smoother) was from a core2Duo@3.6Ghz to a Quad core @3.6Ghz - unforuantely IL2 get's no advantage from this. hopefully SOW will take advantage of the extra cores!

Cheers!

i got a Phenom II 965 BE and IL-2 is awesome.... i had a AMD 4600+, that's the good of AMD, didn't change the socket every year, you can still use the old mainboard and are much cheaper than Intel and i really have seen good FPS improvements in all areas.