Friday 2010-10-15 Dev. update and Discussion

[SlipBall]

(quote)Flutter
Others have commented, and I believe rightly, that fields of the era did not show wide tracks from tractors.


I'm not sure why you think a field with wide rows indicate a tractor passed over the field. Some crops demand a greater distance from one another, and so "wide"could have been made using a horse back then. One thing though, is that most farm field rows are plowed running north/south to allow for maximum sunlight exposure, east/west at times to control erosion.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

(quote)Flutter
Others have commented, and I believe rightly, that fields of the era did not show wide tracks from tractors.


I'm not sure why you think a field with wide rows indicate a tractor passed over the field. Some crops demand a greater distance from one another, and so "wide"could have been made using a horse back then. One thing though, is that most farm field rows are plowed running north/south to allow for maximum sunlight exposure, east/west at times to control erosion.

Not talking about plowed fields here SlipBall. Please look again at the image linked here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1287325120

Those lines are 100% modern day tractor tramlines for the application of sprays and fertilisers without damaging the developing crop. I should know...I've spent hundreds of hours making them!

I've noticed that the majority of textures associated with cereal crops shown so far have been incorrectly given tramlines.

The following link provides all the details you need to know including how they are produced. If you scroll down you'll notice the second to last photo matches what we see in the SoW fields. This is all modern day agricultural practice.

http://www.ukagriculture.com/crops/tramlines.cfm

Interestingly, I've just noticed this quote in the article text:

"Tramlines became widespread in their use in the agricultural revolution of the 1950s and 60s. Tramlines are of vital importance in the modern farming environment because they prevent overlapping applications of fertiliser and pesticide and because they allow spot or selective treatments to be carried out accurately. Nowadays tramlines can be seen throughout most of the western world and are often inaccurately present in films about the past, watch Gladiator carefully next time!"


Ploughed fields will contain furrow lines and these will be identical whether produced by a horse or tractor drawn plough. Cut hay and other crops may also appear in roughly even lines. It is the tramlines only that is being debated here.

[furbs]

Careful Sutts, dont point out anything that might be slighty not correct, even if you have spent 100s hours making them yourself.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by furbs

Careful Sutts, dont point out anything that might be slighty not correct, even if you have spent 100s hours making them yourself.

Yeah, not a big deal in the great scheme of things....but easily fixed in a future release hopefully. I think many of these textures are shared.

[Insuber]

So we have here:

- experts of WWII fields
- experts of BOB country colors
- experts of RAF flight goggles
- experts of flight suits
- experts of clouds (not so many thou ... )
- experts of 110 antennas
- experts of locomotives
- ... I can continue ...

Chapeau ... personally I just want an honest combat flight simulation and I feel so lonely ! Hey anyone else out there like me ?

;D

[Baron]

Seriously, some of u people need to take a biig step back and start living.


Jesus H.....


Edit: from another forum, im suprised noone has commentet on the wrong type of rooftiling used in olegs screens. Im sure though someone will be here shortly doing just that. Flight sim community just blows my mind over and over again. (not in a good way mind u)

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Baron

Seriously, some of u people need to take a biig step back and start living.


Jesus H.....


Edit: from another forum, im suprised noone has commentet on the wrong type of rooftiling used in olegs screens. Im sure though someone will be here shortly doing just that. Flight sim community just blows my mind over and over again. (not in a good way mind u)

With respect, these things are a lot more obvious than a darn roofing slate. They literally shout MODERN TECHNOLOGY BELOW.

Now, it may not seem important to many but just wait until people start producing the historically accurate movies that Oleg hinted at. It was bad enough watching Memphis Belle with all those modern fields in the background. If Oleg has a chance to make the environment historically correct then I think he will choose to do it, I don't care when.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Insuber

So we have here:

- experts of WWII fields
- experts of BOB country colors
- experts of RAF flight goggles
- experts of flight suits
- experts of clouds (not so many thou ... )
- experts of 110 antennas
- experts of locomotives
- ... I can continue ...

Chapeau ... personally I just want an honest combat flight simulation and I feel so lonely ! Hey anyone else out there like me ?

;D

Yes, isn't that a good thing? Lots of knowledge brought together can produce one hell of a sim don't you think?

These are little details but they do matter. What is the point of Oleg getting the buildings, boundaries and roads of 1940s Britain bang on when 1000s of acres of agricultural land proves that this is in fact a modern landscape? Kind of kills the illusion I'd say.

All we're talking about is making the cereal textures plain instead of tramlined, that's all. I bet there's only about 5 textures to change.

[furbs]

i think ALL of us want that Insuber, IL2 is with out doubt the best sim(or game for that matter) that ive ever owned.
We all prob have 1000s of hours flying IL2 thanks to Oleg, i know i have.
And we all want the best for SOW, now if some of us spot things that we think could be closer to the real thing, then why not point them out?

Now if Oleg then agrees and changes these small things then whats the harm?
If he doesnt agree or hasnt time to change them, thats his choice, its his sim, he can and will do what he feels is right, its not going to make any of us not buy the game.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by furbs

i think ALL of us want that Insuber, IL2 is with out doubt the best sim(or game for that matter) that ive ever owned.
We all prob have 1000s of hours flying IL2 thanks to Oleg, i know i have.
And we all want the best for SOW, now if some of us spot things that we think could be closer to the real thing, then why not point them out?

Now if Oleg then agrees and changes these small things then whats the harm?
If he doesnt agree or hasnt time to change them, thats his choice, its his sim, he can and will do what he feels is right, its not going to make any of us not buy the game.

Nicely put furbs. My intention is not to ruffle feathers, just contribute to the knowledge base. I can't imagine many Sim folk are involved in farming these days.