Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[matsher]

Right, onto the real reason I wanted to post. This posting thing is pretty new to me so please excuse any babbling...

I have one development question / wish / request that has always been on my mind, and I have never come across anyone else asking about it... So here it is

Full cockpit vs Wonderview:- In IL-2 there is either Full cockpit or gunsight and sky. Nothing inbetween. It would be so good if there was a third option.

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

The cockpit opacity settings would be amazing to have... No longer will we have to choose between dynamic gameplay (Wonderview) and immersion (In cockpit)... We could have both.

Not too sure what the technical implications of this request is but I had to ask anyway.

Please give me feedback guys, I am interested to know your opinions on this request...



HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...


Please give me some opinions and feedback.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by matsher

Right, onto the real reason I wanted to post. This posting thing is pretty new to me so please excuse any babbling...

I have one development question / wish / request that has always been on my mind, and I have never come across anyone else asking about it... So here it is

Full cockpit vs Wonderview:- In IL-2 there is either Full cockpit or gunsight and sky. Nothing inbetween. It would be so good if there was a third option.

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

The cockpit opacity settings would be amazing to have... No longer will we have to choose between dynamic gameplay (Wonderview) and immersion (In cockpit)... We could have both.

Not too sure what the technical implications of this request is but I had to ask anyway.

Please give me feedback guys, I am interested to know your opinions on this request...



HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...


Please give me some opinions and feedback.

I think that this is an excellent idea. Your pictures are great; the last one would be great for me. I don't know if I'd use it all the time, but I think it's a really neat concept. I know it's been talked of before, but I can't remember Oleg commenting on it. I'm sure it could implemented in the future...

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by matsher

Right, onto the real reason I wanted to post. This posting thing is pretty new to me so please excuse any babbling...

I have one development question / wish / request that has always been on my mind, and I have never come across anyone else asking about it... So here it is

Full cockpit vs Wonderview:- In IL-2 there is either Full cockpit or gunsight and sky. Nothing inbetween. It would be so good if there was a third option.

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

The cockpit opacity settings would be amazing to have... No longer will we have to choose between dynamic gameplay (Wonderview) and immersion (In cockpit)... We could have both.

Not too sure what the technical implications of this request is but I had to ask anyway.

Please give me feedback guys, I am interested to know your opinions on this request...



HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...


Please give me some opinions and feedback.

Unfortunately I have to say I dislike it. But that is my opinion.

Far better and simpler to do would be IMO to just disable the 'wonderwoman' view, and keep the external view of your own plane on. This is something I have been requesting for IL2 ages ago...

Having cockpit always forced on and without the help of the F6 command (in IL2) would help with the transition to the locked pit servers for rookie pilots.

[matsher]

Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Unfortunately I have to say I dislike it. But that is my opinion.

Far better and simpler to do would be IMO to just disable the 'wonderwoman' view, and keep the external view of your own plane on. This is something I have been requesting for IL2 ages ago...

Having cockpit always forced on and without the help of the F6 command (in IL2) would help with the transition to the locked pit servers for rookie pilots.

Thanks for feedback Thor and Phil-Ed...
Thor- I am not sure I understand your answer though, do you mean to say that we should only have full cockpit or external views? or am I getting it wrong all wrong...

If I am correct, how would that be helping people transition into full cockpit?

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by matsher

Thanks for feedback Thor and Phil-Ed...
Thor- I am not sure I understand your answer though, do you mean to say that we should only have full cockpit or external views? or am I getting it wrong all wrong...

If I am correct, how would that be helping people transition into full cockpit?

All three. No cockpit, cockpit with externals and wonder woman on / off, and full pit. ... wait a minute - thats four.

Originally Posted by albx

I don't like it (the transparent view), but also I don't think is a good idea have the cockpit always forced on, people builds cockpits and if you can't disable it in the game doesn't seem a good idea to me...

Alberto

My reply to matsher should explain what I thought.

[albx]

Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Unfortunately I have to say I dislike it. But that is my opinion.

Far better and simpler to do would be IMO to just disable the 'wonderwoman' view, and keep the external view of your own plane on. This is something I have been requesting for IL2 ages ago...

Having cockpit always forced on and without the help of the F6 command (in IL2) would help with the transition to the locked pit servers for rookie pilots.

I don't like it (the transparent view), but also I don't think is a good idea have the cockpit always forced on, people builds cockpits and if you can't disable it in the game doesn't seem a good idea to me...

Alberto

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by matsher

Right, onto the real reason I wanted to post. This posting thing is pretty new to me so please excuse any babbling...

I have one development question / wish / request that has always been on my mind, and I have never come across anyone else asking about it... So here it is

Full cockpit vs Wonderview:- In IL-2 there is either Full cockpit or gunsight and sky. Nothing inbetween. It would be so good if there was a third option.

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

The cockpit opacity settings would be amazing to have... No longer will we have to choose between dynamic gameplay (Wonderview) and immersion (In cockpit)... We could have both.

Not too sure what the technical implications of this request is but I had to ask anyway.

Please give me feedback guys, I am interested to know your opinions on this request...



HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...


Please give me some opinions and feedback.

Sorry but I can't see why a simulation needs a feature like this. Flying around like this will just lead to bad habits and folk will never learn to operate with an engine in the way. I think it would be better in Over-G fighters or something like that.

People will be asking to see through clouds and hills next.

Just my opinion of course.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by matsher

Right, onto the real reason I wanted to post. This posting thing is pretty new to me so please excuse any babbling...

I have one development question / wish / request that has always been on my mind, and I have never come across anyone else asking about it... So here it is

Full cockpit vs Wonderview:- In IL-2 there is either Full cockpit or gunsight and sky. Nothing inbetween. It would be so good if there was a third option.

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

The cockpit opacity settings would be amazing to have... No longer will we have to choose between dynamic gameplay (Wonderview) and immersion (In cockpit)... We could have both.

Not too sure what the technical implications of this request is but I had to ask anyway.

Please give me feedback guys, I am interested to know your opinions on this request...



HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT...


Please give me some opinions and feedback.

Personally speaking (!!!!) I used to use the Wonder Woman view all the time with great success, then decided to try it the realistic way. I couldn't hit a thing after turning the cockpit on...now I'm having to re-learn how to: yaw in order to see the enemy in front; dip and turn in order to keep him in my sight; anticipate where he is when out of sight; predict where he is when he's 'behind' the dashboard; predict where to aim/shoot based on the latter.
The WW view is unrealistic very many more ways than are obvious.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by matsher

To Oleg- Will/can there be a player defined option to set the in-cockpit view at 65% (or so) opacity, to make it semi-transparent?
So pilots can still have more "sky" but also can have the feeling that they are still flying in a beautifully rendered fighter plane?

It's an excellent idea in my opinion, but I also have a feeling that it's been asked whether this was possible before, and the answer came back in the negative.

Certainly when playing on-line, I like to go on the servers that allow 'no cockpit view', but it's a bit disorientating when using TrackIR.
The 'ghosted' cockpit would be a real boon in these situations, and as you say, still gives you a view of all the gorgeous cockpit detail.

Offline I don't think it's quite so necessary, and in IL2, the AI aren't so 'I'.
Of course, we've no idea how 'I' the AI is in SoW.
Great demo shots by the way.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Certainly when playing on-line, I like to go on the sites that allow 'no cockpit view', but it's a bit disorientating when using TrackIR.

That's bad habit.
I had the steepest learning curve when switched to full real.

Try it.