Macintosh support for SoW?

[Qpassa]

first you have to be able to use track ir , freetrack , hotas and joysticks

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by Qpassa

first you have to be able to use track ir , freetrack , hotas and joysticks

One of the more logical reasons I have read why porting to Mac not cost effective.

As to Mac's being snobs, same could be seen with Sony ("elitist" computers) vs other PC's.

I do not want to get into a flame war. I am a switch hitter, taking the best out of both hardware and systems.

I still am on XP because my old PC was not "Certified" to run Win7 (that is hilarious considering everyone is bashing Mac OS X for being proprietary, when Windows is just as closed).
I was also peeved on price: WinXP to Win7 update is $299, while the Mac OS 10.5 to 10.6 update is only $29.00 (1/10 the cost).

AKA_Tenn
where as mac is about total control of every aspect of software/hardware, therefore its simpler to use, more reliable, but you have extremely limited variety and options in both the software and hardware

Tenn,
Apple Mac's have the ability to boot 100% into whatever version of Windows you want, even Win7.
Apple designed and made hardware, running Microsoft Windows.
And a top end Mac tower is about the same price as a top end Dell Xeon.
So, now anyone can install anything they want on Apple computers, and then some.

the ONLY truly open system is Linux. Anyone prove otherwise.

The best reason PC dominates games?
about 90% of home computers run some version of Windows.
But there is a few million Mac's out there, so.

[airmalik]

I guess I'm an 'elitist' too.

I was a diehard ex-Amiga user. Switched to Windows95 after Commodore managed to kill off such a wonderful OS/machine. Used PCs at work and home for the next ten years. Desktop and laptop at work and a custom game rig at home. Five years ago switched to the Mac mainly because of Ruby on Rails (web app dev platform) and haven't looked back.

I still use a PC at my current job. They still run WindowsXP because they never upgraded to Vista (smart move) and they don't have any plans to move to Win7 at the moment. It's a large govt agency BTW.

I'm glad I switched to the Mac. I now spend more time actually using the machine than tinkering with it, messing around with drivers, virus checkers, registry settings etc.

About the only time I recommend a PC these days to anyone is for hard core PC games. So once SoW is released, I'll be building a custom rig (first one in six years) but I'll make sure the components are 'hackintosh' compatible so I dual boot back into OSX when not playing SoW.

[Azimech]

Haha, I was a die-hard Amiga user too. But ten years ago it struck me. Building and using a modern PC was way cheaper and starting with Win2000 was a huge leap beyond what the Amiga had to offer. Memory protection, journaling file system etc.

Until that day, I was constantly in competition with the Wintel platform, praising the functionality, flexibility and (relative) speed of the Amiga hardware and operating system. It was a matter of ego, striving to incorporate new technologies into that old platform. I learned much about computers in general but besides that, it was just a waste of time.

Nowadays I consider that competition childish, and I conform with the great masses. I lost interest in the Apple platform because I saw the same kind of behaviour there, always bragging about the (past) achievements in a way to boast one's ego for acknowledging those facts.

[airmalik]

Originally Posted by Azimech

always bragging about the (past) achievements in a way to boast one's ego for acknowledging those facts.

Very true about the Amiga. It *was* a great OS/hardware combo but Commodore literally neglected it into the ground. Still very impressive how long ancient A2000s could hold up against more recent PCs but like you, I acknowledged that PCs/Windows had surpassed them by mid nineties.

I was SO glad to go from a 'flicker fixer' screen on my 1084S monitor to a 17" high res monitor hooked up to a DEC PC. I think it was too late to avoid irreparable damage to my eyes though

Originally Posted by Azimech

always bragging about the (past) achievements in a way to boast one's ego for acknowledging those facts.

I wouldn't say this applies to the Mac though. I use one currently for it's current benefits. I'm big on usability and I just don't see the same focus on that in the Windows world as on the Apple side. And for me at least, Macs are more flexible because I can run any of the three major OSes on the same machine at the same time when I need using Parallels. Mostly it's just running WindowsXP to test my web apps in IE and running Debian or Ubunto to mimic my deployment servers.

Each OS has it's fans for real or perceived reasons. I'm just annoyed at being stereotyped as elitist or snobbish for choosing a machine and OS that works best for me.

p.s. One big benefit of macs for me is that almost all 'support' calls I get from family members are from those who haven't switched to macs yet

[swiss]

Originally Posted by airmalik

p.s. One big benefit of macs for me is that almost all 'support' calls I get from family members are from those who haven't switched to macs yet

Ok, but you have to be fair and mention what caused those problems.
It's usually not the OS itself but some 3rd party software.
This can't happen with Mac because they review every program first internally - but at a high price:
The variety of progis for Win computers just aren't available for mac.

Let me review my last 3 BSODs/fatal errors:

1.
A Sony Z600Tek I modified to 512mb although it was only certified for 256mb.
It was a dual boot machine and the idiot who set up the machine put W2000 and XP on the same partition.
So hyberfil of W2000 influenced XP for some reason.

Problem caused by: User

2.
Acer Aspire M5100
BSOD, reported nvlddmkm error, with 4Gigs of Ram and nvidia driver but not with only 2Gb. 4Gb without nvdia driver also ok.
OS: Win7, but not certfied for W7.
Changed (proprietary!) mobo: All fine now.

Problem caused by: Acer f-faces

3.
Unknown Brand, XP
Problem: Doesn't react on any input after start-up(froze on desktop)
Didn't solve it myself since I didn't build the system and didn't want to mess around with it(elder guy, system adjusted for him).

Problem: Panda(wtf is that?) Anti Virus.

[airmalik]

Originally Posted by swiss

Ok, but you have to be fair and mention what caused those problems. It's usually not the OS itself but some 3rd party software.

Hi Swiss, agreed! And this is the biggest reason for less problems on macs because the HW & OS is made by the same company. In the end if you can't use your computer when you need to, it hardly matters who's fault it is - Windows or some shoddy driver by a third party.

cheers

[AKA_Tenn]

well in the end it comes down to the fact that most macs aren't towers, therefore aren't fully upgradeable (basically laptops without built in keyboards), tower macs can only use mac certified upgrades, and there are only a few select choices for high end ram/videocards, that are WAAAY more expensive than the non-mac version, there's no dx support in OSX, porting games to OSX costs money... im sure theres more things... but just those reasons are enough for most game publishers to not port games to mac.

software relates problems are all the users fault... windoze works fine if u know how to use it properly (vista is a real hog tho), but if u start installing background services like firewalls and antivirus programs, then u get stupid things like google toolbar and real media player and u have 200 programs running at once, u can't expect ur machine to run well...

[DD_crash]

Originally Posted by airmalik

I guess I'm an 'elitist' too.

I was a diehard ex-Amiga user. Switched to Windows95 after Commodore managed to kill off such a wonderful OS/machine. Used PCs at work and home for the next ten years.

Me too I miss the logic of Workbench and it is ironical the the only reason I use winblows is for one game! Remember Amiga`s are only for games not like REAL computers HAHA

[airmalik]

Originally Posted by DD_crash

Remember Amiga`s are only for games not like REAL computers HAHA

LOL I remember that! but the best one was - why would you want to run more than one program at a time?