The P-51 Mustang Purist Club / Simulator / PS3

[vdomini]

Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp!

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

[olife]

Originally Posted by vdomini

Would like to add something i took from wiki:

"In the first year or so of World War I, air combat was more of a one-on-one affair. The early aces, like Pegoud, Garros, Boelcke and Immelmann, hunted the skies alone. As the war progressed, the sheer number of machines in the sky increased. Several reconnaissance machines traveled together for mutual protection, further protected by escorting fighters. Boelcke recognized that the days of the lone hunter were over. Many young pilots, however, still came to the front expecting to dash valiantly into battle as an errant knight, alone, but in reality they would be quickly overwhelmed by multiple enemies. Boelcke tirelessly lectured his pupils on the need for teamwork—sometimes scolding them for acting too independently. Attacking in a group allowed the leader to concentrate his attention exclusively on his target, while his wingmen protected his tail.

Air battles later in the war could involve dozens of aircraft from each side at the same time. The sky could become a swirling tangle of machines. When your side was at a numerical disadvantage, it was especially important not to double up on one opponent. The concentrated fire was of dubious value, since you were just as likely to get in each other's way as to hit the enemy. Doubling up also left an enemy machine somewhere unbothered and free to tail one of your side's machines. Later in the war, teamwork became the primary key to success and survival."

I totally agree with MAC, and, knowing him and how he dedicate to this game, i would highly encouriage all Club pilots to train and master all the formation technique MAC suggested. He's been studying this game dynamic and flaws for hours to develop the best and quicker path to master formation flying. I would love to try them too but my lack of time always lead me into short 10 minute no cockpit no full sens drunk dogfight! So, until i will have not been practicing that what mac says about formation, don't count me in for any club official fight, if i can not deliver 100% of my fly skills to the club, i would prefer staying on ground ( in a pub ) rather then putting in risk the wingleader or wingman life ehehe


Olife! You are one of the best pilot around in this game! The only thing i've noticed about your "nevorus flying" is that you crash too much sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i do crash a lot too, but we have always think about the ground as another enemy! In real life, pilots had no respawns point, so pulling up a risky dive toward the ground not caring if we're going to dig an hole into it because we will respawn at 700 m higher few second later HAVE to be avoided at all cost. Best thing to do is DO NOT PULL A MANOUVER that you are not sure you're going to survive it. Do not kill with your own hands! Parts of the chasing and looping strategy is to lead the enemy down, forcing him to loose his altitude, until the only things he can do is turn or climb, or, face the death by enemy leads. That is very important when the enemy flyes a better performant plane then yours. Stay sharp!

See you all in the sky, be prepared against FW!

hello vodkadomini ace

yes totally agree with u,the crashs are my biggest prob in all the planes game i do...too much risks,in sim and realistic too...must progress and the way will be hard to become just good!
in fact my bad eyes (left eye 7/10 right eye 8,5/10 with my big glasses)disturbe me a lot in sim,but i refuse to take my bad view as a pretext to explain my lot of crashs,i must learn to be "stronger than my eyes"and i m sure i m not the only one guy in this case,i m just too nervous and ridiculous in my flys because of stress and the formation training of teacher macademic is very good for me to stay calm and cool in same time i learn to analyse the combat situation...the challenge will be hard...i m ready to fight against my own defaults!

good hunting to all!!

[MACADEMIC]

Hi Guys,

In addition to my previous post regarding the training exercise for formation flying, I found an excellent way to practice this in Single Player mode whenever you like:

In Single Missions, under Battle of Britain, there is the Mission 'Inspect AAAs'. Ignore the original purpose of the mission. After Mission Start, climb your Spitfire to approximately 8000 feet and head North-Northeast for the coast. You will soon see a large formation of Hurricanes flying westerly (look for it on the map). Pick one of the Hurries as your leader and practice to stay in formation.

The formation will eventually fly out of the part of the map where you can follow. Just circle where you are and await their coming back. They will then go on in East-Southeasterly direction for a long time and turn back for the Northern coastline when far out at sea. This inspection pattern will go on and on indefinitely, so you have as much time as you like practicing your wingman skills. This mission is not time limited.

If anyone has come across a similar formation flying training opportunity, ideally involving flying P-51s, please let us know!

Enjoy!

MAC

[SgtLooney]

Originally Posted by MACADEMIC

That's very honorable of you, I like it when people seek new challenges. In case you fly with the Pad, full sensitivity works much better with a Custom Layout. You can find a How To Guide on this thread.

I feel you'd be an ideal candidate for QBlackDeathQ 's JG26!

Cheers and see you out there!

MAC

Yeah I use the pad, and I have one of the cutsom layouts selected, the D-9 still can be a handful. I'll check out QBlackDeathQ 's JG26. Sorry I've not been on lately life is busy and when I get on there's not always very many pilots online.

EDIT, turns out its JG52 and I've put in a join request.

[MACADEMIC]

Originally Posted by SgtLooney

Yeah I use the pad, and I have one of the cutsom layouts selected, the D-9 still can be a handful. I'll check out QBlackDeathQ 's JG26. Sorry I've not been on lately life is busy and when I get on there's not always very many pilots online.

EDIT, turns out its JG52 and I've put in a join request.

Lol, yes they seem to have been uncertain themselves for some time which JG they want to be - right you are, they've settled for JG52 now.

MAC

[MACADEMIC]

Hello all,

Introducing some changes to reflect experience.

1. FW-190 F8 and TA-152 now allowed for Luftwaffe

2. Team suffering less casualties wins, points are disregarded

3. P51 Club may use HUD

Best,

MAC

[MACADEMIC]

Hello all,

Just to let you know I've found a good training opportunity to practice Pair Formation Flying when on your own. Under Single Player/Single Missions/Battle of the Bulge, there is the Mission 'Road to Bastogne'.

Immediately after the mission starts, look up and there is a single P-51 flying above you. Climb up and latch onto his wing. He will keep climbing for a bit and then continue straight ahead for a while. At times you may encounter FW-190s, and may have protect your leader. Later on your leader may descend and start a series of ground attacks.

This is an excellent training opportunity. Since your leader is moving quite a bit, climbing, descending and turning, it will require your full attention to stay with him. When getting separated due to his abrupt maneuvers, try to get back and stay on his wing as quickly as possible.

Enjoy!

MAC

[olife]

hello guys

just to add miss october.

[olife]

and 2 wallpapers
u will find 2 others in the jg52 thread

[MACADEMIC]

Thank you Olife,

Sweet! Enjoy everybody,

MAC