Friday 2010-09-17 Dev. update and Discussions

[philip.ed]

Oleg, I have been reseaching the flight-kit again, and I have been speeking with people who have had the pleasure of getting into the spitfire'c cokpit in flying gear, and each has said that it is is impossible for the pilot to wear an Irvin flying jacket. The cramped cockpit would make it impossible for the pilot to get the right-head movement which would be needed in combat.
I hope that this is useful information for you to use. A Hurricane pilot had the luxury of being able to wear an Irvin in the pit, but I would imagine this unlikely during the hot summer.
(also, if the pilot is fitting in the spit perfectly with the Irvin on, does this mean the pilot model is off? This isn't intended for another discussion on pilot size, but more a follow up question on whether layer clothing is modelled. We can see from one video that the parachute is a seperate model)

[Richie]

Trying to see if I figured out how in the heck how to use this attachment thing. If it's a thumbnail click and you'll see nice gray letters on that Spitfire. How do you keep the pic full size? I never have been able to figure this thing out. Just stupid I guess

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Richie

Trying to see if I figured out how in the heck how to use this attachment thing. If it's a thumbnail click and you'll see nice gray letters on that Spitfire. How do you keep the pic full size? I never have been able to figure this thing out. Just stupid I guess

To do that you write:

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For comparisson/reference.
Dover and France looking South:





Unsure of location here:



Larger:

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[Ploughman]

Like the quick-fly GUI, fresh and punchy, but not particularily of the era but who knows if the campaign interface is a more tailored experience? Would be good to have crew for the ground vehicles, (after all the aircraft have crew).

That Spit's my desktop for the week, looks like Biggles copped a packet.

I'm looking forward to seeing some more of the pyrotechnics, explosions, that sort of thing, how or if smoke columns interact with the environment, wind at differrent levels etc.

Smashing update, keep 'em coming.

[GBrutus]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Oleg, I have been reseaching the flight-kit again, and I have been speeking with people who have had the pleasure of getting into the spitfire'c cokpit in flying gear, and each has said that it is is impossible for the pilot to wear an Irvin flying jacket. The cramped cockpit would make it impossible for the pilot to get the right-head movement which would be needed in combat.
I hope that this is useful information for you to use. A Hurricane pilot had the luxury of being able to wear an Irvin in the pit, but I would imagine this unlikely during the hot summer.
(also, if the pilot is fitting in the spit perfectly with the Irvin on, does this mean the pilot model is off? This isn't intended for another discussion on pilot size, but more a follow up question on whether layer clothing is modelled. We can see from one video that the parachute is a seperate model)

It would have been a tight fit but it was more likely down to individual pilots and how comfortable they were wearing it. It certainly wasn't impossible and there are plenty of photos of Spitfire pilots wearing Irvin jackets. I've read a few pilot accounts of how cold they were at 30,000ft even with the jacket on (unless I imagined them). Anyway, I don't think it's correct to say impossible, rather it was just difficult.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by GBrutus

It would have been a tight fit but it was more likely down to individual pilots and how comfortable they were wearing it. It certainly wasn't impossible and there are plenty of photos of Spitfire pilots wearing Irvin jackets. I've read a few pilot accounts of how cold they were at 30,000ft even with the jacket on (unless I imagined them). Anyway, I don't think it's correct to say impossible, rather it was just difficult.

Aye, but in a combat situation it was a tough job. As you though, size can make a difference, but it is unlikely on most pilots. The colar of the Irvin is so large that it makes head movement really quite difficult. Having said that, I have seen a few pictures as you say of pilots wearing them in spits, but these may be staged...

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I hope that this is useful information for you to use. A Hurricane pilot had the luxury of being able to wear an Irvin in the pit, but I would imagine this unlikely during the hot summer.

The average enviromental lapse rate is about 2 Degrees C per 1000 feet. A nice summers day of lets say 30C at ground level turns into -10C at 20,000 feet.

I think I'ld want a Irvin jacket if I was on Patrol.

Cheers!

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

The average enviromental lapse rate is about 2 Degrees C per 1000 feet. A nice summers day of lets say 30C at ground level turns into -10C at 20,000 feet.

I think I'ld want a Irvin jacket if I was on Patrol.

Cheers!

I know, hence the reason many favoured the frock (or in terms of the BoB film, a sweater) It would have been bloody hot in getting into the spit in an Irvin during the battle, and even though it would get bloody cold upstairs many still didn't wear the Irvin. It really restricted movment; wear one and this is clear. It's uncomfortable in a seating position, and the collar is a bitch.
It's a great winter jacket, and great if worn in a bomber, but for a fighter pilot it's an annoyance.
Winter was a period when many RAF pilots wore them, but even then they preferred to layer up...

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by janpitor

The possibility for customization like in win 7 is a good point. I somehow need to feel the history from the sim.

and you won't get them from tearing around the skies in a 1940 plane?

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I know, hence the reason many favoured the frock (or in terms of the BoB film, a sweater) It would have been bloody hot in getting into the spit in an Irvin during the battle, and even though it would get bloody cold upstairs many still didn't wear the Irvin. It really restricted movment; wear one and this is clear. It's uncomfortable in a seating position, and the collar is a bitch.
It's a great winter jacket, and great if worn in a bomber, but for a fighter pilot it's an annoyance.
Winter was a period when many RAF pilots wore them, but even then they preferred to layer up...

did all irvins have the same collars?