Look what I saw flying today!

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

War, in the sense that the term is currently used (fighting against people you've never even met), is a relatively recent phenomenon. For most of our existence, we've managed well enough without, and even now there are may people, perhaps the majority, who have never experienced war, and never will. The claim that it is inevitable (or even a good thing) has historically been made by many on the right, to justify their own greed for power. This is a lie.

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And denying the humanity of your opponents is typical far-right tactics. Stick your war-mongering garbage where the sun doesn't shine, Hunden.

LMAO You will always be a sheep and thats ok you just don't relize the Dogs of War are needed agaisnt the wolfs that will feed on you and your lilly white ass.

[AndyJWest]

Hunden, if and when I'm threatened by wolves, I'd expect you to be somewhere in the pack. I'm no sheep (or liberal for that matter). I'm quite capable of defending myself from Fascists (and illiterates). And kindly keep your homoerotic fantasies for a more appropriate forum.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Hunden, if and when I'm threatened by wolves, I'd expect you to be somewhere in the pack. I'm no sheep (or liberal for that matter). I'm quite capable of defending myself from Fascists (and illiterates). And kindly keep your homoerotic fantasies for a more appropriate forum.

I'm pretty sure the wolfs came knocking 70 years ago and my Grand Father came to your Grand Daddys aid just like I would even tho you would spit in my face afterwards. Its just who you are.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Hunden

I'm pretty sure the wolfs came knocking 70 years ago and my Grand Father came to your Grand Daddys aid just like I would even tho you would spit in my face afterwards. Its just who you are.

This is the sort of moronic response I'd expect from you, Hunden. Seeing as this is the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, can you please enlighten us as to what your Grand Father was doing at the time?

I see from your personal details that you claim to be a US Marine. Perhaps you should ask a few marines who served in WW II what they think of your warmongering rhetoric. I doubt you'd find many who would have much sympathy with it.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

This is the sort of moronic response I'd expect from you, Hunden. Seeing as this is the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain, can you please enlighten us as to what your Grand Father was doing at the time?

I see from your personal details that you claim to be a US Marine. Perhaps you should ask a few marines who served in WW II what they think of your warmongering rhetoric. I doubt you'd find many who would have much sympathy with it.

I never once said that I like War . All I have ever said is that you need to be prepared to defend youself. I notice that you hover in here, you log off but you still stay on the forum, then you log back on to respond. NO MARINE likes war, are you really that stupid, to think that anyone likes to go to WAR. Would you suggest that we have no standing army? Or would you rather we have a standing army with limited weapons so as to feel better about yourself? I'm done responding to you scumbag. You don't rate knowing anything about my family. or what we lost.

[AndyJWest]

I never once said that I like War . All I have ever said is that you need to be prepared to defend youself.

No you didn't. You suggested that those who disagreed with you were either 'sheep' or 'from Uranus'. I am prepared to defend myself. Sadly, it's people like you who are the threat.

I know nothing about what your family lost. You know nothing about my family. Neither of us have any right to wrap ourselves in flags dragged from the coffins of dead soldiers to push our personal political agendas. I don't. You do.

[WTE_Galway]

...

Hermann Goering, interviewed by Gustave Gilbert during
the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18:


Goering: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some
poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some
say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
United States only Congress can declare wars.

Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country."

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Hunden

I'm pretty sure the wolfs came knocking 70 years ago and my Grand Father came to your Grand Daddys aid just like I would even tho you would spit in my face afterwards. Its just who you are.

As far as I can recall, the US became actively involved in WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the US.
This was in December 1941 and so was quite a significant length of time after the Battle of Britain.
There was a bit more to it than simply 'coming to our Grand Daddy's aid'.
After all, we'd been fighting since Sept 1939. The USAAF were involved from 1942.
Britain couldn't have mounted the D-Day invasion and subsequent Second Front in 1944 without the involvement of the US. Also the Materiel provided by lend-lease, and the loan of cash to fund the necessary war machine mostly came from the US.
Had the US not become involved, either financially or in actual participation, the prospect then was either that Germany would beat Russia, and all Europe would be Nazi, or Russia would beat Germany, and all Europe would be Communist. Stalin would have then been knocking at our door.
Horrible prospects either way.

BTW, can we please not get involved in such mud-slinging matches and personal attacks? Everyone's entitled to their views. Both Hunden and Andy I mean. Thanks.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

As far as I can recall, the US became actively involved in WW2 only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and Hitler declared war on the US.
This was in December 1941 and so was quite a significant length of time after the Battle of Britain.
There was a bit more to it than simply 'coming to our Grand Daddy's aid'.
After all, we'd been fighting since Sept 1939. The USAAF were involved from 1942.
Britain couldn't have mounted the D-Day invasion and subsequent Second Front in 1944 without the involvement of the US. Also the Materiel provided by lend-lease, and the loan of cash to fund the necessary war machine mostly came from the US.
Had the US not become involved, either financially or in actual participation, the prospect then was either that Germany would beat Russia, and all Europe would be Nazi, or Russia would beat Germany, and all Europe would be Communist. Stalin would have then been knocking at our door.
Horrible prospects either way.

BTW, can we please not get involved in such mud-slinging matches and personal attacks? Everyone's entitled to their views. Both Hunden and Andy I mean. Thanks.

Excuse me for using the first number that came to mind (70) but if you want to knit pick be my guest.

[Splitter]

Hey Hunden, thank you for being a sheepdog, we need them.

I find it interesting that people in the military, or who have been in the military, tend to be more conservative. I am sure others would argue that "right wing warmongers" are drawn to military service. I am also sure that some would suggest that those in the military are brainwashed. My personal view is that they have just seen more and been made to grow up a bit more quickly. Churchill was right.

I recently helped out at a "wounded warriors shoot". One common thing that was said by the guys was that it was the first time in a long while that they could shoot without having someone shoot back at them . I get all gooey when I start thinking about the sacrifices some have made so that many can live freely. So thank you.

But seriously my friend, don't get upset with the people on the far left. They have their own little view of the world whatever it might be. No cause that doesn't threaten them directly is good enough to go to war over. Peace through disarmament, etc..

Just keep using logic and avoid calling them the names that run through your head lol. Usually, the logic drives them to start calling you names...then you have won. .

Sheepdogs do their job and get fed for it. They rarely get s scritch behind the ears and the flock will seldom show any gratitude.

Splitter