FW-200 fire origin is bizzare

[ElAurens]

Yes indeed. When SaQSoN speaks it's time for you guys to stand down and actually listen for a change.

And if you all had been paying any kind of attention to what has been written about SOW, and not just glomming on to every screen capture like a flock of crows pecking at a carcass you would know that individual systems in the aircraft will all have their own discreet damage models.

But carry on with your dog and pony show of screen shot debauchery, it's actually fairly entertaining.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Yes indeed. When SaQSoN speaks it's time for you guys to stand down and actually listen for a change.

And if you all had been paying any kind of attention to what has been written about SOW, and not just glomming on to every screen capture like a flock of crows pecking at a carcass you would know that individual systems in the aircraft will all have their own discreet damage models.

But carry on with your dog and pony show of screen shot debauchery, it's actually fairly entertaining.

Well said.

[philip.ed]

It still doesn't answer the question of the transparent fire. Is this shot just showing the fire starting or what? I'm only asking, as I've yet to see an aircraft on fire and be able to see though the flames to the fuselage section.

[Romanator21]

There are a lots of fuel related controls and instruments in the pilot's cockpit, such as fuel cocks, fuel tank selectors, manual fuel pumps, primer pumps, fuel pressure manometers, etc. All this devices are connected to the aircraft fuel system with numerous fuel lines, which go through wings and fuselage to the cockpit. And all those lines are modeled in the collision model in the game. Any of this lines may be damaged and become the source of fuel leak and fire.

And if you all had been paying any kind of attention to what has been written about SOW, and not just glomming on to every screen capture like a flock of crows pecking at a carcass you would know that individual systems in the aircraft will all have their own discreet damage models.

Well, my apologies for offending anyone...It was just surprising - It has been said of course that the DM would be more detailed, but I don't think it has been said explicitly to what degree.

Modeling cylinders and prop-governors is a little different that modeling a thin fuel line, and structuring flames to erupt from the exact point that the little line is hit. It seemed too good to be true, not to say that Oleg&Co aren't programming miracle workers.


Anyway, I thought I'd repost this:







It's a little old (2005) so a lot could have changed, bit it's not totally obvious from this that fuel lines are modeled. Likely, I don't fully understand what is going on in these illustrations. This was the cause of my "skepticism" of such fine detail.

However, one can see how this surpasses Il-2 in all counts. You can clearly see the spars, control lines, hinges/attachment points for control surfaces, firewalls, bulkheads, armor plates/glass, radiators, governors, engine block, supercharger, oil reservoir, guns, ammo bins, radio, battery, etc.

[Romanator21]

Such as this one:

You have to be careful when using wartime photography, or any photography for that matter. The camera captures things a little differently than the human eye, especially with regard to points of light, like flames.

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

Anyway, I thought I'd repost this:

(cutaway images)

It's a little old (2005) so a lot could have changed, bit it's not totally obvious from this that fuel lines are modeled. Likely, I don't fully understand what is going on in these illustrations. This was the cause of my "skepticism" of such fine detail.

However, one can see how this surpasses Il-2 in all counts. You can clearly see the spars, control lines, hinges/attachment points for control surfaces, firewalls, bulkheads, armor plates/glass, radiators, governors, engine block, supercharger, oil reservoir, guns, ammo bins, radio, battery, etc.

Thanks for posting!

I have seen cutaways of other SoW aircraft, but I do not think ever the damage model.
It has an amazing amount of detail, including numerous spar structures, which likely means more fidelity on structural damage till break.

[Romanator21]

Phillip, the photo you posted of the American Airlines is a fake. Now you definitely can't use that as reference, lol.

[JVM]

Yes, but there are many others which are not fakes...like this one (of 2 P38 having had a severe brush-up) I find interesting: very limited fire speed = 0...and no transparency of flame....
You can also have a look to this too well known one:

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/080...Crash25Sep1978

This is still for me one of the most tragic images I have ever seen and I prefer not to post it here, but it does make a point fire-wise.

JV

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

Phillip, the photo you posted of the American Airlines is a fake. Now you definitely can't use that as reference, lol.

Should I cry? It's just a demonstration. If some photoshop idiot can get it right, then why can't a group that's been working with flight-sims for years? A simple answer on how fire can possibly look like that would be great (obviously Oleg isn't entitled to answer!). I mean, obviously it might be the way the shot has been taken (or when it was taken) but I'v never seen this in all the guncam clips I've seen or even in real-life images.

I mean, if this is fuel related the flames should be fierce. Puny flames like this would surely be extinguished easily by the airflow?