Nuklear bomb

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

At the time I was inclined to Libertarian Socialism not Anarcho-Capitalism. The first is definitively left wing and the second clearly right wing.

As for the NSDAP, they claimed to draw on both the right and left but are in reality clearly right wing rejecting liberalism and Marxism with strong support at the time by the traditional supporters of the far right (the military, big business, the established church).

The fact that both the right and left at that point in time tended towards totalitarian states does not mean they share the same political ideology. That would be like saying fanatical Christians and Muslims are identical because they both tend towards fundamentalism.

While I do not agree with your assertion, let me say this:

I am impressed with your ability to argue your points with your logic. While I may not agree, I find the level of sophistication in your thinking refreshing. Yes, for the most part, Americans need to go outside of their own country for such discourse. Sadly. At one time, we put much thought into "government" but now it is mostly rhetoric that sways opinion.

So then let me say this: You are making the political spectrum too complicated for anyone anywhere except those of us who are "geeks" about this sort of thing.

In basic terms, the further left you go, the more government involvement you seek (social or economic). The further right that one goes, the less government involvement.

"Most" of us agree that the extremes are not desirable. The arguments rest in the middle.

There is also a huge problem with the terms "liberal" and "conservative" as those terms have been corrupted over time. As an example, John Kennedy (most around the world know of him I assume) would be a modern day "conservative" even though he is a martyr for the liberals in our country (Democrats).

If we go back in history, those two terms meant far different things than they mean today.

Splitter

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Splitter

In basic terms, the further left you go, the more government involvement you seek (social or economic). The further right that one goes, the less government involvement.

This is incorrect.

For example, Wikipedia says:

In politics, Right, right-wing and rightist are generally used to describe support for social stratification with the preservation of traditional social orders and values.[1][2][3][4][5] The terms Right and Left were coined during the French Revolution, referring to seating arrangements in parliament; those who sat on the right supported preserving the institutions of the Ancien Régime (the monarchy, the aristocracy and the established church).[6][7][8][9]

Use of the term "Right" became more prominent after the second restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists. [10] Today it is primarily used to refer to political groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right, including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats and theocrats. The term is also used to describe those who support free market capitalism, and those who support some forms of nationalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

[AndyJWest]

Well said Igo kyu. Given that according to Marx, communism would ultimately result through 'the withering away of the state', Splitter's definition would align him with the US Republican party.

This sort of pseudo-political analysis engaged in to satisfy whatever current need arises might work in the context of an isolated system (North Korea? - and of course Orwell's Airstrip One), but in the wider political discourse it is just untenable.

[SEE]

I would not like to see nuclear bombs in a Sim. The argument for having them is based on 'deterrent'. Yes, they were used in the final stages of WW2 against Japan and the arguments for using them are well established. Japan was guilty of some horrendous war crimes against the civilian population of China in the lead up to WW2 and any moral arguments are thus negated IMO but the use of nuclear weapons does result in catastrophic consequences for civilian populations.

I am Pro Palestinian, I am English Christian not a Muslim extremist. What I want is a poltical settlement that sees Palestine as a free state co-existing with its neighbour Israel. Unfortunately, untill another regional state has a similar detterent I doubt that it will ever happen. The idea that a nuclear empowered Iran poses a threat to the region is a weak one.

Chernobyl is a prime example of a how nuclear fallout affects entire regions - in this case Europe. A nuclear attck on the State of Israel would impact the whole region and I doubt any faction would be party to such an outcome. Nuclear weapons have a purpose - a means to negotiate political settlements rather than to be used. Keeep them in a bunker............not in a PC Sim!

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

This is incorrect.

For example, Wikipedia says:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

That is an archaic use of the terms. Sorry, I know where you are coming from, but where just not there anymore.

Go back far enough and I am a flaming liberal lol

Today, real conservatism means belief in:

Small government
Low taxes
Strong national defense
Personal rights and responsibilities

(Andy, uh, Marx would have a problem with some of those beliefs lol)

Splitter

[AndyJWest]

That is an archaic use of the terms.

'Archaic', as in no longer compatable with the 'truth' you are trying to project. Words mean whatever you want them to mean, at the time you use them. If later you decide they meant something else, then that is what they always meant. Newspeak "the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

[Xilon_x]

blablablablabla mosth comment politic comment my post is request the first NUKE BOMB for SOW PACIFIC SCENARY.
FIRST NUKE BOMB is important the mission is very dangerous start from island TINIAN and GO TO JAPAN whit B29.
THE FIRST NUKE BOMB yes FIRST IMPORTANT EVENT i not IGNORE THIS EVENT FROM WW2 this is HYSTORY.
ENOLA GAY BLOK STAR uaooooooooo LITTLE BOY AND FAT MAN.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Xilon_x

blablablablabla mosth comment politic comment my post is request the first NUKE BOMB for SOW PACIFIC SCENARY.
FIRST NUKE BOMB is important the mission is very dangerous start from island TINIAN and GO TO JAPAN whit B29.
THE FIRST NUKE BOMB yes FIRST IMPORTANT EVENT i not IGNORE THIS EVENT FROM WW2 this is HYSTORY.
ENOLA GAY BLOK STAR uaooooooooo LITTLE BOY AND FAT MAN.

Yea you tell um................ what ever it was you said !!!

[AndyJWest]

At least Xilon isn't trying to project history backwards from the present agenda of some crackpot quasi-religious cult, like some on this thread.

Xilon, I'll accept the A-Bomb - equipped B-29 takeoffs were dangerous (though from the point of view of the crew, possibly less dangerous than a conventionally-armed bomber), but the rest of the historical mission would be downright boring. If you want to simulate the missions, buy yourself a copy of FSX, start your B-29 (or any suitable substitute) from half way down the Tinian runway to simulate the dangers of takeoff, then fly to Japan and back. This will be no less realistic than a proper simulation done in IL-2 or SoW.

[swiss]

I'm trying to read all the stuff I missed...


How is this supposed to work?

Originally Posted by Splitter

Today, real conservatism means belief in:

Small government
Low taxes
Strong national defense
Personal rights and responsibilities



Splitter