[SOW] Horse-drawn vehicles

[robtek]

It is better to concentrate on the simulation of the technics, that is for everybody.

[Splitter]

OK, Hunden just cracked me lol. My sick sense of humor I guess.

As someone else mentioned, trying to get horse animations right would be a serious development and maybe frame rate issue.

I have no problem with shooting at another simulated pilot because I figure he strapped on his simulated plane the same way I did . But in my own game, I would draw a line before shooting horses. Humans tend to bring their troubles on themselves or at least have choices. Animals, not so much. I didn't even like shooting the dogs in the original Wolfenstein lol.

That's why I don't hunt. I will eat anything YOU kill and I know where the meat from my grocery store comes from, I just don't want to be the one pulling the trigger on an animal. But a human breaking into my house is in serious trouble .

Now where did I put my skirt.....

Splitter

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Splitter

OK, Hunden just cracked me lol. My sick sense of humor I guess.

As someone else mentioned, trying to get horse animations right would be a serious development and maybe frame rate issue.

I have no problem with shooting at another simulated pilot because I figure he strapped on his simulated plane the same way I did . But in my own game, I would draw a line before shooting horses. Humans tend to bring their troubles on themselves or at least have choices. Animals, not so much. I didn't even like shooting the dogs in the original Wolfenstein lol.

That's why I don't hunt. I will eat anything YOU kill and I know where the meat from my grocery store comes from, I just don't want to be the one pulling the trigger on an animal. But a human breaking into my house is in serious trouble .

Now where did I put my skirt.....

Splitter

I'm with you on that I don't hunt either. But if I had to I would. I just like getting a rise out of some people.

[Dozer_EAF19]

Originally Posted by Splitter

OK, Hunden just cracked me lol. My sick sense of humor I guess.

As someone else mentioned, trying to get horse animations right would be a serious development and maybe frame rate issue.

I have no problem with shooting at another simulated pilot because I figure he strapped on his simulated plane the same way I did . But in my own game, I would draw a line before shooting horses. Humans tend to bring their troubles on themselves or at least have choices. Animals, not so much. I didn't even like shooting the dogs in the original Wolfenstein lol.

That's why I don't hunt. I will eat anything YOU kill and I know where the meat from my grocery store comes from, I just don't want to be the one pulling the trigger on an animal. But a human breaking into my house is in serious trouble .

Now where did I put my skirt.....

Splitter

Would it really be hard to animate horses? Mount & Blade managed it and that's made by a team of two. Wouldn't need to be magnificently detailed (or maybe it would, to match the magnificent close-up detailing of the other ground vehicles). X-Plane's managed to have huge flocks of seagulls to fly into (another source of catharsis, even if it fatally breaks my aircraft most of the time) all rendered in 3d without frame issues.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Dozer_EAF19

Would it really be hard to animate horses? Mount & Blade managed it and that's made by a team of two. Wouldn't need to be magnificently detailed (or maybe it would, to match the magnificent close-up detailing of the other ground vehicles). X-Plane's managed to have huge flocks of seagulls to fly into (another source of catharsis, even if it fatally breaks my aircraft most of the time) all rendered in 3d without frame issues.

Aw, man, don't talk to me about X-Plane birds! I counted and one time got THREE bird strikes in 10 missions lol. Once at altitude in a Baron that took out the port engine. Then there are the deer that run across the runway...have you noticed how they ALL look at you and seem to be laughing? (at least you can't actually hit the deer).

I'm no programmer, but from what I understand a good, detailed horse would be hard to portray with minimal resources. Plus I think most horses have four different gaits and some north European breeds have five (don't ask me why I know this stuff....maybe it is five and six). With the team's attention to detail, I could see a four month delay to get the horses just right lol.

BTW, I DO get a frame rate hit with X-Plane and birds/deer. I have a decent video card but only a so-so processor.

I would still feel bad having to shoot horses....I might just try to shoot the teamsters....

Splitter

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Splitter

I'm no programmer, but from what I understand a good, detailed horse would be hard to portray with minimal resources. Plus I think most horses have four different gaits and some north European breeds have five (don't ask me why I know this stuff....maybe it is five and six).

Poster 1: "The German horses in SOW are under-modeled, they move too slowly."

Poster 2: "Rubbish they are fine where is your evidence."

Poster 1: "German breeds were known for sturdiness and had 5 different gaits, here is a link ... ".

Poster 2: "Wikipedia does not count as evidence they make it up as they go along, and anyway the Wehrmacht horses were not the good breeds and were half starved."

Poster 1: "Rubbish here is a report from an SS Artillery Officer comparing Soviet and German transport horses in 1943 ... "

Poster 3: "Actually its not the gait that matters its the nature of the tack and rigging and US Army horses were far fitter and better suited than either."

Poster 1: "Not for European conditions they weren't, German horses excelled in cold climates."

Poster 2: "You made that up troll ... plus the Nazi's mistreated horses everyone knows that .. "

Poster 1: "Your mum smells like a Troll and so does your face ... "

Poster 1: "Fascist ... "

Poster 3: "Your all commo hippies ... "

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Poster 1: "The German horses in SOW are under-modeled, they move too slowly."

Poster 2: "Rubbish they are fine where is your evidence."

Poster 1: "German breeds were known for sturdiness and had 5 different gaits, here is a link ... ".

Poster 2: "Wikipedia does not count as evidence they make it up as they go along, and anyway the Wehrmacht horses were not the good breeds and were half starved."

Poster 1: "Rubbish here is a report from an SS Artillery Officer comparing Soviet and German transport horses in 1943 ... "

Poster 3: "Actually its not the gait that matters its the nature of the tack and rigging and US Army horses were far fitter and better suited than either."

Poster 1: "Not for European conditions they weren't, German horses excelled in cold climates."

Poster 2: "You made that up troll ... plus the Nazi's mistreated horses everyone knows that .. "

Poster 1: "Your mum smells like a Troll and so does your face ... "

Poster 1: "Fascist ... "

Poster 3: "Your all commo hippies ... "

ROFLMAO, that's pretty much how it would go. Pure win in that post. If you had put "elderberries" somewhere in that post I would have lost bladder control lol.

I will not be shooting horses. Commo hippies though..... Did they have commo hippies in WWII? Could they be seen or smelled form the air? Can you still see them when they are hiding behind unrealistically large trees? Now I am going back to rethink my position on gore.

Splitter

[Hunden]

WTE_Galway That was hilarious, at first I thought you were arguing with yourself. LMAO

[leggit]

Originally Posted by Dozer_EAF19

Would it really be hard to animate horses? Mount & Blade managed it and that's made by a team of two. Wouldn't need to be magnificently detailed (or maybe it would, to match the magnificent close-up detailing of the other ground vehicles). X-Plane's managed to have huge flocks of seagulls to fly into (another source of catharsis, even if it fatally breaks my aircraft most of the time) all rendered in 3d without frame issues.

its not that its hard to implement rather the time required to complete the animation. walkcycles from a techincal perspective are amoung the most difficult and time consuming jobs for animators. Quadruped walkcycles are even more tricky to do well. watch Shrek u never see more than 1-2 sec of donkeys legs animated in a particular shot....animating seagulls is nowhere near as difficult.

Don't get me wrong I think it would be a nice feature i personally would like to see more animated life in general occuring within the game. It really adds to the players immersion. However its always a trade off between time money and priorities and at this stage i think its more about polishing than production.