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Old 08-31-2010, 02:00 AM
AndyJWest AndyJWest is offline
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You have no clue what you're talking/spewing/ranting about....at all. You're literally just making random stuff up.
Do you hold any qualifications which enable you to make diagnoses of medical conditions?

As for who is 'spewing/ranting', I'd suggest that is a matter of opinion. And what exactly have I 'made up'? Can you provide any evidence of this, or is this you ranting?

By and large, this discussion has been conducted in civil terms, if not always with entirely cordial intent. Katdogfizzow's last comment seems well beyond this.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:20 AM
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Do you hold any qualifications which enable you to make diagnoses of medical conditions?

As for who is 'spewing/ranting', I'd suggest that is a matter of opinion. And what exactly have I 'made up'? Can you provide any evidence of this, or is this you ranting?

By and large, this discussion has been conducted in civil terms, if not always with entirely cordial intent. Katdogfizzow's last comment seems well beyond this.
My google-fu is strong today lol. Just to clear it up:

"Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified*
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3. States of dissociation that occur in individuals who have been subjected to periods of prolonged and intense coercive persuasion (e.g., brainwashing, thought reform, or indoctrination while captive)."

Quick note: A certain religion apparently argued to have the term "brainwashing" removed from the DSM IV because it was associated with the word "cult". That implies it had it's own category in the DSM III. Now it is referred to, but not mentioned specifically (which makes no sense).

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Old 08-31-2010, 02:31 AM
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Quick note: A certain religion apparently argued to have the term "brainwashing" removed from the DSM IV because it was associated with the word "cult". That implies it had it's own category in the DSM III. Now it is referred to, but not mentioned specifically (which makes no sense).

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The word 'cult' is referred to, or the religion? Is this the religion that the underbelly of the Internet goes on anonymous mass protests about? Or is it the University of Chicago's economics department - I hear they could be regarded as a cult...

right, I really should be in bed, judging by that last paragraph.;..
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:06 AM
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The word 'cult' is referred to, or the religion? Is this the religion that the underbelly of the Internet goes on anonymous mass protests about?
Considering that the only known "manual" in "brainwashing" (Brain-Washing: A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook of Psychopolitics) was written by L.R. Hubbard (who tried to pass it off as a summary of something written by Beria, the the then head of KGB), I'd say the word refers to Hubbard's little group.

About the book and some interesting thoughs on "brainwashing":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-Washing_(book)
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:38 AM
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I think you've quoted the wrong posting from me, Splitter (in post #160). Thanks for finding the 'brainwashing' reference in the DSM though, it clears that up anyway. Katdogfizzow's claim that brainwashing is "recognised" by the American Psychiatric Association doesn't bear up. It is an undefined phrase used once in passing, not a diagnostic term at all.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:44 AM
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Katdogfizzow, you suggest I made this up:
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The term (brainwashed) amounts to little more than cold war propaganda anyway - it certainly isn't recognised by most psychologists.
Prove it. I've shown that the term isn't 'recognised' in the context you alleged it was - just used once, undefined, in passing. I've given a reference to it's cold-war origins. What other evidence do you need?
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:30 AM
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And what exactly have I 'made up'? Can you provide any evidence of this, or is this you ranting?

You literally made this up:
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