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[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Splitter

I don't think I have ever understood why Churchill was shoved to the side. He had been such an effective and popular leader during the war, even a hero to those of us not from Britain.

Thanks Splitter, nice of you to say so.
Churchill was head of a 'tri-partite' coalition government during the war years. After the war, a general election was held to reinstate one of the three main parties as the sole party of government.
Churchill was leader of the Conservative party, which was to the right of centre.
A swing to the left swept Britain following the defeat of the right wing Nazis and Faschists (except for Franco in Spain), which led to a Labour government being voted in headed by Clem Atlee.
I don't think Britain's respect for Winston himself ever waned, in fact in a poll only a couple of years ago he was voted 'Greatest Briton' of all time.
Cheers
Dutch

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Thanks Splitter, nice of you to say so.
Churchill was head of a 'tri-partite' coalition government during the war years. After the war, a general election was held to reinstate one of the three main parties as the sole party of government.
Churchill was leader of the Conservative party, which was to the right of centre.
A swing to the left swept Britain following the defeat of the right wing Nazis and Faschists (except for Franco in Spain), which led to a Labour government being voted in headed by Clem Atlee.
I don't think Britain's respect for Winston himself ever waned, in fact in a poll only a couple of years ago he was voted 'Greatest Briton' of all time.
Cheers
Dutch

Thank you for the explanation. It's really rather unfortunate, but maybe he really was just sent here to perform the tasks he did.

I love hearing his speeches and reading about his quick wit. It seems he single handedly kept British spirits up especially before the US finally decided to pitch in (we have no excuse). What a bulldog. A great symbol for the country.

I think my favorite anecdote about him was when an acerbic woman at a dinner party declared that if he was her husband, she would poison his tea. His reply was that if she was his wife, he would drink it . Lady Astor I believe.

True or not, there are a lot of those anecdotes about the man. Just seems like a guy with whom you would like to have a pint...or three.

Splitter

[ATAG_Dutch]

Couldn't agree more!
I'm sure you've already got some of this stuff, but here's a link to free downloads of many speeches.
Enjoy!

http://www.archive.org/details/Winston_Churchill

[winny]

Originally Posted by Splitter

Thank you for the explanation. It's really rather unfortunate, but maybe he really was just sent here to perform the tasks he did.

I love hearing his speeches and reading about his quick wit. It seems he single handedly kept British spirits up especially before the US finally decided to pitch in (we have no excuse). What a bulldog. A great symbol for the country.

I think my favorite anecdote about him was when an acerbic woman at a dinner party declared that if he was her husband, she would poison his tea. His reply was that if she was his wife, he would drink it . Lady Astor I believe.

True or not, there are a lot of those anecdotes about the man. Just seems like a guy with whom you would like to have a pint...or three.

Splitter

It's amazing when you think about it, Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini, all in place at the same time in history. I'm not a 'crazy' but if there were ever an argument for fate existing then this would be it!

I think Churchill became a liability the moment WW2 ceased as by that time he was a serious alcoholic. He was the perfect wartime prime minister though.

[leggit]

quote: Winston Churchill:

" I have taken more out of drink, than drink has taken out of me."

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by winny

I think Churchill became a liability the moment WW2 ceased as by that time he was a serious alcoholic. He was the perfect wartime prime minister though.

Hmm, is that why he was again Prime Minister of Britain in 1951, at the age of 77?
He was already 71 at the general election in 1945.
If he did drink a bit, I'd say he bloody deserved it!

[winny]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Hmm, is that why he was again Prime Minister of Britain in 1951, at the age of 77?
He was already 71 at the general election in 1945.
If he did drink a bit, I'd say he bloody deserved it!

Maybe he just needed a few years to sober up!
Listen to his 'finest hour' speach.. he was very drunk! (it was late tho!)

[Blackdog_kt]

I think that Churchill was so strongly identified as an icon of the wartime era, that when the war was over he was pushed aside as part of the war itself. That's not entirely bad in itself, if we believe the notions that he was in favor of continuing the war against the USSR.

Loss of life aside, i doubt that the western allies could not have won against USSR even with nukes. The rate of A-bomb production was so slow initially, that coupled with the the Soviet's disregard of casualties would not be a serious advantage, not to mention that most of the Soviet industry was already behind the Urals due to WWII. If the western allies attacked the Soviets and provoked them into all out war, it's very possible that face of Europe today and the history of the cold war era would be totally different. In that sense, i think that it's good we were spared a second round of hostilities between the former allies.

[Splitter]

For future despots and dictators:

Rule number 1 - Do NOT invade Russia! It gets cold there, really cold. Then it gets muddy. And the place is HUGE. Plus, there are a lot of Russians and they are very tough and motivated.



Splitter

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I think that Churchill was so strongly identified as an icon of the wartime era, that when the war was over he was pushed aside as part of the war itself. That's not entirely bad in itself, if we believe the notions that he was in favor of continuing the war against the USSR.

Loss of life aside, i doubt that the western allies could not have won against USSR even with nukes. The rate of A-bomb production was so slow initially, that coupled with the the Soviet's disregard of casualties would not be a serious advantage, not to mention that most of the Soviet industry was already behind the Urals due to WWII. If the western allies attacked the Soviets and provoked them into all out war, it's very possible that face of Europe today and the history of the cold war era would be totally different. In that sense, i think that it's good we were spared a second round of hostilities between the former allies.

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