what is it....new game.

[Gilly]

Just to keep the thread alive until flyinlion posts I thought I'd post this

[Soviet Ace]

I-16!!!!!!

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

I-16!!!!!!

And I thought they didn't have guns in the wings Soviet!!!! Yep it is!

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Gilly

And I thought they didn't have guns in the wings Soviet!!!! Yep it is!

They did (later models) but like the FW, were inboard, rather than so far out to give them better roll. But I don't think the guns aren't properly positioned in that picture, as they would be in a real wartime I-16... mainly because if you look at pictures and stuff from WW2 you see that the wing cannons are much closer to the fuselage than that. (I'm not sure why they'd move them though?)

EDIT: Just learned why they had them out so far. Because it put less vibrations on the pilot.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

They did (later models) but like the FW, were inboard, rather than so far out to give them better roll. But I don't think the guns aren't properly positioned in that picture, as they would be in a real wartime I-16... mainly because if you look at pictures and stuff from WW2 you see that the wing cannons are much closer to the fuselage than that. (I'm
not sure why they'd move them though?)

I was just looking through the duxford pics the other night and noticed them sticking out. In guessing they've been either moved of position there for aesthetic reasons although they look as if they'd only just clear either side of the prop

Here's the full pic

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by Gilly

I was just looking through the duxford pics the other night and noticed them sticking out. In guessing they've been either moved of position there for aesthetic reasons although they look as if they'd only just clear either side of the prop

I think prop clearance would be the main reason for putting guns farther out in the wings. There also might be other things like fuel tanks, landing gear, wing structure or ammo bays to consider. No such thing as free lunch.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Sadly i was defeated within 5 minutes by our resident i16 expert!!

Originally Posted by flynlion

I think prop clearance would be the main reason for putting guns farther out in the wings. There also might be other things like fuel tanks, landing gear, wing structure or ammo bays to consider. No such thing as free lunch.

That's possible, but on the original I-16s, the cannons or machine-guns on the wings were really tight against the fuselage (kinda placed where the FWs were) and they were much farther in barrel wise (not so elongated like they are in the picture). So being hit or hitting the prop wouldn't be an issue if they'd kept them farther in like they had during WW2.

Also, I-16s shouldn't and never had fuel takes in the wings because that'd add weight in their rolling which would be bad since that and turning sharp is all they pretty much had going for them later on. Usually their spare fuel tank was behind the pilot, or not at all and they just had the main tank.

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Just to keep the thread alive until flyinlion posts I thought I'd post this

Thanks Gilly. I'm kinda illiterate when it comes to photo editing software so by all means please have at it

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by flynlion

Thanks Gilly. I'm kinda illiterate when it comes to photo editing software so by all means please have at it

Sadly i was defeated within 5 minutes by our resident i16 expert!!