5 Worst Units Challenge (One for each level)

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by kcwong

Maybe it's time for you to move on to another game, until the next expansion comes out?

Blasphemy! (Actually I just came back to AP after playing other things for like 9 months).

Giants may be worse than Ancient Ents. I've honestly only used either of them sparingly.

And peasants are pretty darn bad. Attack bonus' aren't going to help them deal with frailty issues and the inability to get to important targets when you need them to. What would you consider a worse level 1 unit? Devilfish Maybe?

[kcwong]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

And peasants are pretty darn bad. Attack bonus' aren't going to help them deal with frailty issues and the inability to get to important targets when you need them to. What would you consider a worse level 1 unit? Devilfish Maybe?

Devilfish is indeed not a good unit... it has the illusion of being a good choice for a new player, having more speed and offensive power, and is awarded after completing a quest, giving the impression that you are supposed to buy them.

I did that in my first game (Paladin)... the amount of dead fish, gold spent and traveling time wasted... >_<

[clinek]

Ents and Ancient Ents have shitty movement and have that whole fire weakness thing but they do a lot of damage in both long range and close combat and have great defense. If they had good movement, they would be one of the best level 5 units. same with regular ents. the worst level 5 unit is definitely an ogre. they are just way to fragile. for level 4 units i suggest alchemist or demoness's. in the original, you could get angas ruby and demoness's were ok but they just get killed so easially (besides when being attacked by male humanoids). Alchemist just suck all around. for the leadership cost, they do no damage, have no defense, and just blow ass. for level 3 units, either dwarves or bears. Bears would probably be worse though. for level 2 units, robbers are always shitty to have. i suggest one of the spiders for level 1 creatures

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by clinek

Ents and Ancient Ents have shitty movement and have that whole fire weakness thing but they do a lot of damage in both long range and close combat and have great defense. If they had good movement, they would be one of the best level 5 units. same with regular ents. the worst level 5 unit is definitely an ogre. they are just way to fragile. for level 4 units i suggest alchemist or demoness's. in the original, you could get angas ruby and demoness's were ok but they just get killed so easially (besides when being attacked by male humanoids). Alchemist just suck all around. for the leadership cost, they do no damage, have no defense, and just blow ass. for level 3 units, either dwarves or bears. Bears would probably be worse though. for level 2 units, robbers are always shitty to have. i suggest one of the spiders for level 1 creatures

Alchemists are no retaliation units that can hit multiple stacks at a time, and have high chances of doing aftereffect damage to those stacks. You give them the little Gift Bag item, and they are like little dragons.

Demoness' actually might be worse than Ents, actually. They have an impressive array of abilities, but most level 4's are pretty good, so I'm not sure.

Ogres might be the worst level 5, assuming you don't have an army that knows how to combo with them. (Similar to Demoness).

[clinek]

ok well here is an idea. Put undead and demons in the army to lower the morale of the rest of the units. Ogres are bad units to begin with but if you have an ogre with 50%- defense, attack, and pretty much no critical attack, they really suck. Since your not going for no losses, (it would be litterally impossible to do with this setup) make the armies morale suffer. maybe use a demoness and skeleton for level 1 and 4 units to drop morale of the rest of the troops, ogre for level 5 unit, (i dont know if neutral races such as bears suffer morale penalties for undead and demons but if not maybe use orcs for level 3 units), and miners for level 2 units. I would imagine that it would be a bitch to beat with this army. Good luck with that

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Blasphemy! (Actually I just came back to AP after playing other things for like 9 months).

Giants may be worse than Ancient Ents. I've honestly only used either of them sparingly.

And peasants are pretty darn bad. Attack bonus' aren't going to help them deal with frailty issues and the inability to get to important targets when you need them to. What would you consider a worse level 1 unit? Devilfish Maybe?

i think in comparsion leadership to damage
peasants scored relatively high(at least used to be the best leadership damage factor) in legend

dunno if this is changed in kb:ap



a very epic set up would be

royal thorn/ents/ancient ents/thorn warriors/thorn shooters

this setup would be a pain in the ass

no ressucrection possible(at least not the easy way)

only time back would work

and think again of all the fire damage it takes hahah

anyone beating the game with this setup is epic

doing this without losses is impossible i would say :p

[clinek]

yea but the undead would be screwed against this army. necromancer cant ressurect any of them and bone dragons would barely do any damage since they all have such high resistance to poisen. Dragons would tear this army a new asshole but thats where spells like death star come in. Thier fire weakness is critical but each one of those units do fantastic damage for thier leadership and have pretty danm good defense. The royal thorns can summon thorns to soak up some damage and gain rage while the ents, ancient ents, and thorn shooters would decimate the enemy army. Besides, you could get that scroll from elon which gives a huge bonus to all thorns and ents. That would actually be a pretty good army if used right. Fighting any dragons would be a real pain in the ass though

[Razorflame]

i beg to differ

the point is U CANNOT resurrect any of em

so whatever damage your taking is a loss unless time back

and most are slow(thorn and ents)

warriors and shooters are the only fast ones
but they die VERY fast

and even with the royal thorn spawning
it pretty hard doing this no loss

[clinek]

no loss?! i thought we are just talking about just beating the game. No that would not be possible. Time back works only for a few rounds prior. even if you kill baal and just have a small stack of imps you still couldn't get back all of your units because it takes how many rounds just to kill baal and his minions. Beating enemy heroes would work up until the final boss battles but you just would not be able to do it. my army through out the entire game always consist of dragons (bone,black,red, and green) and archdemons. This is the best army for crushing anyone as a mage. when you fight demons, you cast greasy mist to lower thier fire resistance and crush them and when you fight enemy heroes who cast geyser all the time, drop all your units off excepts one stack of black dragons and just run away from the units while casting fear, fire rain, and ball of lightning. Having all level 5 units also gives you advantage of casting fear on all troops besides level 5. Its quick, its easy, and it just works. You obviously cant ressurect any of them which is why i change the troops when fighting baal or k'tahuu. Anyways, i digress. The plant army is not possible when doing an impossible no loss challenge.

[Razorflame]

could be with 1 single stack invisiblity of any of these units
^^

but then again baal and k'thatu xD
need alot of mana xD