Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[csThor]

Hi dfrog. I hope you don't mind me cherry-picking some issues.

Originally Posted by dFrog

Brazil (allied) - seen some action in Italy
Bulgaria (axis at least)
China (nationalist + communist)
Croatia (axis)
Czechoslovakia (guess where I'm from)
Korea (North + South)
Mexico (allied) - seen some action in Pacific
Russian Liberation Army (axis) - wonder what Oleg will say, this isn't beloved part of their history
Spain (republican + nationalist)

Israel
Egypt
Syria

I have been thinking about adding a few more relevant nations, anyway, but so far other projects have taken over my time.

Brazil - if someone sends me the necessary data I'll put it on my list (one squadron flying P-47 IIRC)
Bulgaria - What for? The country's armed forces did not take part in the war against the USSR and we have no maps depicting their home defense.
China (nationalist + communist) - Nationalist China is not possible as it would lead to Il-2 being confiscated in China. This is a very real problem and since Daidalos has an official agreement with Maddox Games we're also subject to the same limitations.
Croatia (axis) - Same as Bulgaria. What for? There were two squadrons flying under german control (15.(kroat)/JG 52 and 15.(kroat)/KG 2) which could be added but lacking a map and looking at the native croatian effort it's hardly a relevant nation to be added.
Czechoslovakia (guess where I'm from) - TD concentrates on the 1941-45 timeframe (Martin said so). During this time there was no Czechoslovakia. 4.10 will contain the czech squadrons of the RAF since that was the most relevant effort of exile-Czechs, though.
Korea (North + South) - TD will not produce any content of the Korea War so neither nation will be added.
Mexico (allied) - seen some action in Pacific - See my notes WRT Brazil.
Russian Liberation Army (axis) - Historically irrelevant plus it's a touchy subject in Russia (like you said). No need to add them.
Spain (republican + nationalist) - ATM it makes no sense to add them. We have no maps and apart from I-16 Types 5 and 6 no aircraft. The spanish volunteer squadrons under Luftwaffe control would be more sensible. Is there demand for them?
Israel
Egypt
Syria - All outside of TD's timeframe and scope. No need to add them.

Additionally an Allied Romania (post August 1944) and South Africa would make sense to be added as new nations.

Originally Posted by dFrog

and is there any chance of historically correct markings for Germany and Finland ? I'm no nazi lover, but this is how it was. Finland still has haken in official Finnish Air Force flag...

No, for the very simple reason that there is one international version and we cannot switch between historically correct and politically correct emblems. Even if such a switch existed it would create legal issues in Germany where the use of any swastika in games is banned. Additionally the russian parliament passed a law which may cause issues with swastikas in games as well, but that is not yet clear. Believe me - I asked if we could install such a switch, but we were asked not to do so and be cautious.

Originally Posted by dFrog

2- Fix US marking (no numbers but letter code) for ETO ? And british markings too - early british rounels are missing the outside yellow collor and tail bars.

I plan to update/correct the insignia, but there's a condition which hasn't been met, yet. Can't tell which one, though.

Originally Posted by dFrog

3- Add Ta-152 big tail to Fw-190D-9 Late - just cosmetic

What for? The major difference between early and late D-9 is the fuel and the use (or non-use) of MW-50. No need to add the Ta-152 tail which was a very very rare combination, anyway.


There are some additional comments I could make to the rest of your post but I am not entirely sure if that would be okay. I'll leave it to Martin to make a more in-depth reply.

[dFrog]

Thank You for your answer. You're right. But if we are talking about 1941-45, why do we have polish and french markings ingame and no croatian or bulgarian or other ? They fought in european theatre too.

[csThor]

I'm not Oleg. I'd have to make a guess to answer that one.

Seriously. There are a lot of elements in Il-2 already which are - de facto - historically irrelevant. I see no reason to add yet more of them when the effort could and should be directed to historically relevant things.

[Xilon_x]

has nothing to do and if 'relevant or not relevant.
I think any historical fact can also not relevant 'to be important and could change history.
To many people it is convenient for the sake of publicity hide the arguments are not relevant.
I think it's also a question of respect of the nations that you do not feel irrelevant.
These nations participated in the second World War and 'important to include ALL.
ALSO IMPORTANT FOR ISSUE OF SALE OF PRODUCT SOW or il-2 Otherwise, we risk a decline in sales.

[Xilon_x]

THIS IS ALL ALLIES:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II

THIS IS ALL AXIS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

HONOUR AND RESPECT AT ALL MEMBERS PARTECIPATING TO WORLD WAR II.

Symbology to airplane is different.

[bf-110]

Finnish and Germans markings can be enable via a program that isn´t a mod.

Even I wouldn´t ask for Brazil,we had a short campaign,(and Brazil wasn´t really a die hard allied,president Vargas had a simpathy for Germany,but wanted to keep off the war).Not because I´m against adding those countries,but TD should have some prorities.For those,you can use custom skins for the planes.
The most relevant ones are Spain and China.But as you said China would be a can of worms.Spain still a good choice for IL2,since Spanish Civil War isn´t far from WWII and IL2 already have a good number of the planes used on it.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Xilon_x

has nothing to do and if 'relevant or not relevant.
I think any historical fact can also not relevant 'to be important and could change history.
To many people it is convenient for the sake of publicity hide the arguments are not relevant.
I think it's also a question of respect of the nations that you do not feel irrelevant.
These nations participated in the second World War and 'important to include ALL.
ALSO IMPORTANT FOR ISSUE OF SALE OF PRODUCT SOW or il-2 Otherwise, we risk a decline in sales.

I get what you're saying but its not reasonable to model or add every single little detail into the game. Especially when there are areas of the game that could better use the efforts. It's not a matter of respect at all. It's a matter of limited time and resources being put into free addons by volunteer effort only (Team Daidalos). Storm of War is much more limited in scope historically and it's only reasonable to include a couple of nations into the product.

Great respect, much more than any other game ever, has been paid. There is enough room that if you wanted to simulate another nation in the war you could do so with a little work and some ingenuity with some skins.

[Xilon_x]

A closeup photo of the small joystick used
to control the X-4 in flight. An elbow rest was
also provided for the pilot on the starboard side
of the cockpit to allow better control and comfort
while guiding the X-4.


Werfegranate please loock this link.
http://www.zweiterweltkrieg.org/phpB...t&sd=a&start=0


Dear Bf110
that is not atomic bomb but werfegranate 280mm to fw190f for destroy T34 sovietik Tank

[Xilon_x]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

pleace ICEFIRE loock whit attenction the list
first Axis Nation partecipating at WW2 in order of important Nation:
GERMANY
ITALY
JAPAN
HUNGARY
ROMANIA
BULGARIA
the rest of axis nation have minor revelance is secondary nation.

[Burdokva]

Originally Posted by csThor

Hi dfrog. I hope you don't mind me cherry-picking some issues.



I have been thinking about adding a few more relevant nations, anyway, but so far other projects have taken over my time.

Bulgaria - What for? The country's armed forces did not take part in the war against the USSR and we have no maps depicting their home defense.
[...]
Croatia (axis) - Same as Bulgaria. What for? There were two squadrons flying under german control (15.(kroat)/JG 52 and 15.(kroat)/KG 2) which could be added but lacking a map and looking at the native croatian effort it's hardly a relevant nation to be added.

[...]

Additionally an Allied Romania (post August 1944) and South Africa would make sense to be added as new nations.

If you don't mind, I would like to give an opinion on your comment. Just to note, I've shortened the quote just to be more precise and focus on the thing's I'll elaborate on. To be honest, it's entirely valid.

There has been no Balkans map and, as far as I know, there currently aren't plans for any. Which is a shame. It's a theater of war that's been heavily overlooked. While Bulgaria did not take part in the invasion of the USSR (pleasantly surprised you're aware of that fact, as most Westerns don't seem to be) the home defense campaign against the 15th USAAF was a large enough affair that involved thousands of planes over the course of an entire year. Plus, the VnVV (Bulgarian His Majesty's Air Forces) were involved in other operations too - anti-partisan, escorting Axis convoys and protecting the Bulgarian coast against Soviet submarines and surface ships and reccon flights over the White/Aegean Sea and Medditerrenean.

Lastly, while I don't know if it'll be a great incentive, but Il-2 does have a strong fanbase here (I'm a Bulgarian national) and many people are still hoping that there would be at least some sort of representation of the theater and our air force - I'm still keeping fingers crossed for a TD Balkans map....

One that would also be very welcomed by Romanians, I'm sure - after all, the main target of the 15th AF in the Balkans wasn't Sofia, or even Bucharest, but the Ploesti oil refineries.

The above is valid about Croatia; but not only there's enough historic potential for campaigns, but I believe there's a fantastic modded map at an advanced stage of completion.


Don't take this as intended to be offensive in any way, I greatly respect your work and I'm looking forward to the patches. But I'd like to point out that branching out, expanding etc. the sim would not be in any way pointless, or much less degrading, to the contrary.