Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Sprain

Including the "CW-21" in 4.10 seems like nothing but an intentional insult.

Less than 100 were ever made and it was barely even a trivial footnote in WW2. Yet there are so many important American built planes that are glaringly absent. Planes that were built by the 1000's and participated in the most notable battles in history.

If Daidalos Team were releasing no new planes at all I could understand. But for them to put energy into creating a CW-21 looks like just a way of saying "We want to prove that we refuse to include American built planes".

For simmers who enjoy the Allied side of the Japan/America conflict, Daidalos Team is clearly running a biased show.

Have you bothered to find out why 'so many important American built planes .... are glaringly absent'? And why just American planes? WE all have our favourite planes we'd like to see added. The only thing that is clear here is your own obnoxious attitude. These guys are doing it for free remember.

Carry on TD. Even if you only release planes I've never heard of from now on, I'll still enjoy flying them.

[Sprain]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Have you bothered to find out why 'so many important American built planes .... are glaringly absent'? And why just American planes? WE all have our favourite planes we'd like to see added. The only thing that is clear here is your own obnoxious attitude. These guys are doing it for free remember.

Carry on TD. Even if you only release planes I've never heard of from now on, I'll still enjoy flying them.

It's worth noting that you didn't at all disagree with my principle claim. But you did bother to include a personal attack.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Sprain

It's worth noting that you didn't at all disagree with my principle claim. But you did bother to include a personal attack.

I'd say that "nothing but an intentional insult" looks like a personal attack on the TD team. Or have you got any evidence to back this up?

Yes, you claim that "important American built planes ... are glaringly absent", but you give no evidence that they were excluded because they were American. We know that there is a specific issue over Grumman aircraft, but that isn't TD's fault. Beyond this, which aircraft are you suggesting have been intentionally ignored?

In any case, TD are volunteers. They can model whatever they chose, within the limits imposed by the historical context and any contractual constraints they have with 1C:Maddox. It is open to anyone with the appropriate level of expertise to work with them, and I'm sure they will welcome new input.

[nearmiss]

The CW-21 stands for Curtis Wright US aircraft manufacturer.

There are so many aircraft now for IL2 I am amazed when people keep asking for more.

No one flys the odd-ball aircraft online, and I don't know of many that are interested to fly them in Offline in missions either. The IL2 is an air combat simulation genre, which means everything is about combat and mostly aircraft vs aircraft. In other words, if you fly all the weird stuff people are always asking for... you would be asking to just get shot down all the time.

If we could get an honest poll for online or offline aircraft; the same aircraft choices would probably prevail across the board for most everyone... especially if they want to survive in the missions.

[AndyJWest]

No one flys the odd-ball aircraft online, and I don't know of many that are interested to fly them in Offline in missions either

I'd have to disagree, Nearmiss. A section of the online community is content endlessly reenacting the same dogfights, but other IL-2 gamers like to explore new aircraft, new maps, new weapon systems and the rest. All credit to TD for feeding our addictions...

[csThor]

Sprain

The CW-21 is not a Daidalos in-house development but was a 3rd Party Project that just missed the deadline for the Pacific Fighters release and then fell through the floor. DT simply picked up the pieces and finished it as we were given the model. Nothing sinister about that.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I'd have to disagree, Nearmiss. A section of the online community is content endlessly reenacting the same dogfights, but other IL-2 gamers like to explore new aircraft, new maps, new weapon systems and the rest. All credit to TD for feeding our addictions...

Since I don't fly coops I don't see much of that.

[AndyJWest]

csThor, thanks for that - as good a response to Sprain's silliness as we could reasonably expect.

Nearmiss - I think the IL-2 online dogfight community probably underestimate how many people enjoy IL-2 in other ways. They tend to be the most vocal, and the most partisan, but they are very much a minority. The continuing sales of IL-2, and the interest of newcomers on the various forums, seem to indicate that there is still a broad base of interest, and relatively few of the noobs will ever fly online - it is actualy a rather hostile environment for the inexperienced.

As for not flying coops, why not? Even if you don't want to make a serious commitment, dropping in on the Ubizoo Saturday coop once or twice might broaden your horizons - we do this for fun, remember.

[MrBaato]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

No one flys the odd-ball aircraft online, and I don't know of many that are interested to fly them in Offline in missions either. The IL2 is an air combat simulation genre, which means everything is about combat and mostly aircraft vs aircraft. In other words, if you fly all the weird stuff people are always asking for... you would be asking to just get shot down all the time.

The CW21 looks like a very competitive plane, with superb climb, good speed and maneuverability and not to forget the machine guns concentrated in the nose.
It will be a online killing machine if you ask me

Thanks TD for adding it!

(oh and a ki44 would be nice too =P)

[Avimimus]

Mind you the CW-21's climb rate is generally considered to have been doctored (the only sources come from public marketing campaigns for the aircraft). It was still probably a very could climber though.

The bomb jettison is a neat idea - although shouldn't the bombs have a probability of skipping? Right now bombs can skip off runways (or even roads if they land tail first). These are bombs without time delays btw.

A tiny cloud of impact dust might cover up the fact that they vanish on impact.