Friday 2010-05-07 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[lbuchele]

Hey, Skoshi Tiger, I´m not english too and I´m curious about the meaning of the word "Skoshi".
Can you translate to me?
Thanks,mate.

[Insuber]

Hi Oleg,

Are the clouds WIP? I notice that they are not enough bright on top, at least on my screen.

Clouds and sky usually occupy a vast portion of the screen , and are are among the most important players in a "photo-realistic" flight simulation.

Cheers,
Insuber

[Zorin]

Made a quick scan from Mr. Vasco's book to prove my point about the position of the ring antenna and aerial.

1. Photograph of a Bf 110 C rear fuselage interior



2. Screenshot with marked new positions

[Flutter]

Long time lurking, first time post.
Nice update Oleg, however, I have trouble with the screenshot of the Tiger-Moth inside the hangar.
The Hangar does not appear to cast a shadow onto the Tiger Moth, and (worse) the Tiger-Moth does not appear to create any shadow on the ground (I would expect a blurry, but darker shadow underneath the Moth. My guess is that the code allows for a maximum shadow strength (all direct light occluded), after which only ambient light lights the object. This works ok. outdoors, but here the result is that the maximum level of darkness inside a building (6 km down a coal mine?) equals the ambient lighting level outside. The whole issue may stem from spending too much time inside hangars though...
Flutter

[Pierre@]

+1, Zorin.
Look also at the "Fliegerdenkmal" pictures on page 138 of John Vasco's book you are mentioning: "Bf 110 C,D and E - An Illustrated Study" published by Classic in 2008 with great profiles by Fernando Estanislau.
They clearly show the D/F loop antenna was positionned between fuselage frames 10 and 11. (By the way, these numbers, 1 to 18, were stencilled only on port side).

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Made a quick scan from Mr. Vasco's book to prove my point about the position of the ring antenna and aerial.

1. Photograph of a Bf 110 C rear fuselage interior



2. Screenshot with marked new positions

@ Zorin and others:

1. Main problem is not in C-7 and stuff... Problem (or not - from different points of veiw) is that C-4 (and C-7. made from C-4) was NOT a main and usual model of Bf110 in Battle of Britain. It was actually a war of C-2 and D-0/3 Most part of C-4 gone for night fighter regiments. Loss lists of ZG2, ZG26 and ZG76 together with losslists of V./LG1 confirm that.

2. About aircraft itself. As far as I know, C-7 was chosen by MG for fill the "Bf110 Jabo" gap with minimal reworks. And, it was done with elements of "early" or "factory built" Bf110C-7's, and with elements (like Pitot tube and enlarged trims) of "late" or "field" Bf110C-7's, wich were actually mainly Bf110C-1/2/4 "in virginity". There are many photos, BoB period, of Bf110C-7 with VERY different upgrades, like armored windglass, armorplate for pilot e.t.c.

3. Yes, making Bf110D-3 for "Jabo role", wich is closer to history, would be great, but it would need to add some Bf110D-7 elements and rework rear fuselage section. If that would be done, it would need a several weeks to do. All we know, that time is very strickt. So...

4. Let we stay away from pitot and trims on Bf110C-7. We should better ask to show it on Bf110C-4 image. THAT would be critical.

5. Ring antenna, really, must be moved back to 1/2 of fuselage section.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by =KAG=Bersrk

...

2. About aircraft itself. As far as I know, C-7 was chosen by MG for fill the "Bf110 Jabo" gap with minimal reworks. And, it was done with elements of "early" or "factory built" Bf110C-7's, and with elements (like Pitot tube and enlarged trims) of "late" or "field" Bf110C-7's, wich were actually mainly Bf110C-1/2/4 "in virginity". There are many photos, BoB period, of Bf110C-7 with VERY different upgrades, like armored windglass, armorplate for pilot e.t.c.

...

Yet there can be not one photo that shows these features, large pitot tube and enlarged trim tab, because they were introduced with the E series after the BoB. Just to make that clear. Even though there were a number of modifications, these were not among them during BoB and therefor are WRONG.

[robtek]

@Zorin
it seems that you are right, but realistically you can hope for a change in a later patch!
Right now it is very more important to deliver a finished game!
Those details are important for screenshots and movies, not for the regular gameplay.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by robtek

@Zorin
it seems that you are right, but realistically you can hope for a change in a later patch!
Right now it is very more important to deliver a finished game!
Those details are important for screenshots and movies, not for the regular gameplay.

All I hope for, at this stage, is an acknowledgment that they made mistakes and are willing to fix them.

I respect Oleg's stance that he wants prove via official documents, but in this case it is like I said: "The sky is blue." and he asks for official documents to prove it. It is a plain fact, dictated by logic, that features that where first build in the winter 1940/1941, can't be found on a summer 1940 plane.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by lbuchele

Hey, Skoshi Tiger, I´m not english too and I´m curious about the meaning of the word "Skoshi".
Can you translate to me?
Thanks,mate.

As far as I understand it, it's an American corruption of the Japanese word "Sukoshi" or "Little"

"Skoshi Tiger" was the name for the trials of the F-5A fighter during the Vietnam War. Ever since Janes USNF simulators the planes been a favourite of mine.

Zorin,

You've convinced me. Unfortunately my opinion means Zip. Hopefully the developers will look into possiblity of an update.

Cheers!