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Old 05-07-2010, 09:13 AM
6S.Manu 6S.Manu is offline
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I'm always scared by the word "patriotism".
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A whole generation of pilots learned to treasure the Spitfire for its delightful response to aerobatic manoeuvres and its handiness as a dogfighter. Iit is odd that they had continued to esteem these qualities over those of other fighters in spite of the fact that they were of only secondary importance tactically.Thus it is doubly ironic that the Spitfire’s reputation would habitually be established by reference to archaic, non-tactical criteria.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:58 PM
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Yep Manu, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".

-Samuel Johnson

That is not to say being proud of your Nation, traditions and Heritage is not a good thing....it is and I for one certainly am. But when carried to Jingoistic and Hyper-Nationalistic levels can be a very worrying thing indeed.

Observe the rise of the far right in Russia as well as Europe and even Britain and the US have their fascist elements. Maybe the intent is to remind the Russian people what they so bravely stood against and suffered immensely for, more than any other allied nation. For that, Russia will always have my respect.

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Old 05-07-2010, 02:43 PM
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Maybe the intent is to remind the Russian people what they so bravely stood against and suffered immensely for, more than any other allied nation. For that, Russia will always have my respect.
Of course... but I don't respect Russia for that.. I only respect the people living in Russia in those times.

Here in Italy I listen many guys proud of our past (the Roman Empire, the Renaissance ect...) but I keep thinking that WE people of the present have not done anything to be proud of. Conversely today's Italy is a s**t country, ruled by s**t politics (probably only the 10% of them are honest) and populated by s**t people stabbing each other for their own profit.

So I see humanity as a bunch of single human beings: there are no cities, there are no countries.. there are "you" and me: I respect you for that you have to say, not for the place you live.
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A whole generation of pilots learned to treasure the Spitfire for its delightful response to aerobatic manoeuvres and its handiness as a dogfighter. Iit is odd that they had continued to esteem these qualities over those of other fighters in spite of the fact that they were of only secondary importance tactically.Thus it is doubly ironic that the Spitfire’s reputation would habitually be established by reference to archaic, non-tactical criteria.

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Old 05-07-2010, 01:10 PM
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I'm always scared by the word "patriotism".
Me too - and think: Some North Americans seem to believe it is something different from "European" nationalism. Thankfully, I come from a country where nationalism in any form is largely not allowed, looked down upon or suppressed.
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