Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by kancerosik

why all the gunnery and loads improvement goes to axis models? no body heard about the field mods of the russian p40, hurry, p39 and so?

You answered half of it yourself. If you start to compare a nations most build standard plane type with its missing standard loadouts to single field mod types, you can clearly see why there might be some priority. Plus - the Bf109 in fact is one of the oldest type in the game - underdeveloped since 7 years.

Beside that, noone said, that we won't care for equal gasps in allied fighter lines (i.e. Spit, Mustang, to name just the classics).

Some voices have come up, that we might be 'Blue' orientated, but there is completely no Blue/Red thinking in our development or intern dicussions. In most cases, someone in our team has an idea for a future patch (like to rework the Bf109 line) and if the team decides, that it is worth the effort, he and/or someone else starts this project. And believe me: We will never tell anyone in our team to quit a promising idea, just because it might let people think, we would support only axis or allied.

For us, its all a whole box of content, and each part that is worth to be added, will be, no matter if its a german plane or a russian.

If something is worth it, is judged by a few factors:

- historical relevance
- gameplay relevance
- work ammount
- connection to SoW:BoB content

Sometimes someone amongst us does something rather historical unimportant, but ignited from his own personel (fanatic) enjoyment. If its done well and not inflicting TD's workflow, noone will blame him.

But thats all... and I repeat... no Red/Blue thing here.
We know we cannot please everyone, but we try to please as much as we can.

[ElAurens]

Your thoughts and those of TD are much appreciated Caspar.

I really wonder if most people understand the monumental scope of just one little change? I did some small amount of beta testing for one of the mod packs, and let me tell you that just changing one thing often affects every other thing it comes in contact with.

I am also familiar with some of the Team Pacific crew, and I know what it takes to make just one high quality map.

That we get any improvements to the sim at all, and for free no less, is very much a miracle.

S!

[Ernst]

Was patch release delayed? Last info i heard stated that it ll be in easter, and now? Any new date? I must admit that i am anxious for this new patch and how new gs loadings features ll affect piloting and the pilots!

I hope not to wait for a long time until this patch!

[_1SMV_Gitano]

1. We are entering the beta phase of the 4.10 patch, so we will reduce the quantity of development updates and focus on the testing of the patch.
2. We are in a time delay and we will inform you about the new patch release date and update the schedule accordingly.

From last dev update...

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

We know we cannot please everyone, but we try to please as much as we can.

Looking forward to when the patch is released. Your teams hard work I'm sure will be very much appreciated.

~S~ to TD

[kancerosik]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

You answered half of it yourself. If you start to compare a nations most build standard plane type with its missing standard loadouts to single field mod types, you can clearly see why there might be some priority. Plus - the Bf109 in fact is one of the oldest type in the game - underdeveloped since 7 years.

Beside that, noone said, that we won't care for equal gasps in allied fighter lines (i.e. Spit, Mustang, to name just the classics).

Some voices have come up, that we might be 'Blue' orientated, but there is completely no Blue/Red thinking in our development or intern dicussions. In most cases, someone in our team has an idea for a future patch (like to rework the Bf109 line) and if the team decides, that it is worth the effort, he and/or someone else starts this project. And believe me: We will never tell anyone in our team to quit a promising idea, just because it might let people think, we would support only axis or allied.

For us, its all a whole box of content, and each part that is worth to be added, will be, no matter if its a german plane or a russian.

If something is worth it, is judged by a few factors:

- historical relevance
- gameplay relevance
- work ammount
- connection to SoW:BoB content

Sometimes someone amongst us does something rather historical unimportant, but ignited from his own personel (fanatic) enjoyment. If its done well and not inflicting TD's workflow, noone will blame him.

But thats all... and I repeat... no Red/Blue thing here.
We know we cannot please everyone, but we try to please as much as we can.

thank for the response mate:

I really dont want to start another nasty discussion about Blue/Red.

But if you say the word "historical or game relevance" I must say:

Historical relevance:
p39 "aircobra" never flew on Ostfron with the original gunnery (except cannons). The wing gunnery were removed (good idea to avoid a crack on a 109E on high G turns, as Historically was) All the machine guns where replaced by sovietic models before first engine start. I dont think that this "small" detail is out of the historical context. But I´m not a fanatic of that plane in any case, this is only an example.
In any case your answer confirm that the only historical relevance that counts is the "bf109 historical relevance".

Game play relevance: the 109 is the most used plane in Il2?, of course. Allies have more variety of models. If someone fly Red online regulary, is imposible to fly two planes form the same designer
The western front come to Il2 a "little bit" late compare with the eastern front. In fact, in most of international competitions, the Eastfront (and its planesets) got specific weight.


Amount of work: is related to the amount of Fw/Bf mods?

conection with SoW:BoB : perhaps the only answer that is clear for me.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by kancerosik

Historical relevance:
p39 "aircobra" never flew on Ostfron with the original gunnery (except cannons). The wing gunnery were removed (good idea to avoid a crack on a 109E on high G turns, as Historically was) All the machine guns where replaced by sovietic models before first engine start. I dont think that this "small" detail is out of the historical context. But I´m not a fanatic of that plane in any case, this is only an example.

You should learn the subject better. Because your "only example" simply isn't true. It's just partially correct.

The original .50 cal machine guns on P-39 were never replaced. The wing mounted .30 cal guns were removed in some regiments to save weight. But again, it wasn't done mandatory on all aircraft. It was left to regiment command discretion.

Also, the first engine start was done in the USA, in case, you don't know.

[kancerosik]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

You should learn the subject better. Because your "only example" simply isn't true. It's just partially correct.

The original .50 cal machine guns on P-39 were never replaced. The wing mounted .30 cal guns were removed in some regiments to save weight. But again, it wasn't done mandatory on all aircraft. It was left to regiment command discretion.

Also, the first engine start was done in the USA, in case, you don't know.

you say "in some regiments" but I must say again in "most" regiments. I never said that was an Stalin direct order. This Mod was the common proceed... most of the Field MOds works in that way (you know). Sometimes to fix factory malfunction (standard on CCCP first years production), MOST of them to put new technologies on old Planes but In our case is a Weight reduction(fighting capabilities) and a fix to the fighting proposal (gunnery). It was the sense of that Field mod.

By contract of on-loan planes they cant change any part of the given Planes so this Fields Moddification were made undercover, by the mechanics of the regiment (field mod... again).In fact the russian pilots love this plane, that was superb compare to factory models used by US pilots. That was the general opinion of P39 CCCP's pilots.

About the first engine start I would like to say "first engine start on soviet territory" or "first action before take the plane out from the container" or "before first flight on regiment", now is clear, isn't it?

but definitly I was wrong about the nose guns of aircobra, they used to change the 37mm cannon by a 20mm not the cal.50. In any case the nose MOd was less important to russian pilots compare to weght reduccion an wing strenght gained with the wing armament removal. THX for the correction!!!

[Oktoberfest]

Impressed by the big gun droping. Could this be done to all the Wfgr 21 German fighters can carry ? This would help a lot !

Thx !

[Eldur]

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

Impressed by the big gun droping. Could this be done to all the Wfgr 21 German fighters can carry ? This would help a lot !

Thx !

Oh yes, PLEASE!

But without score penalty...

€dit: I love those AB23! Will they be available for other planes, too?