I'd like to join Team Daidalos.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by Rjel

Presumptuous too.

If separated from the the context of the post, then yes. Otherwise, not so.

Originally Posted by Rjel

Then perhaps he should just do it without all the drama everywhere he goes. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

The problem is, the great majority of the "drama" is stirred up by others. Owl is not always mature, I will admit, but he doesn't start the majority of trouble. It starts when he makes something and someone else feels the urge to misbehave.

[AndyJWest]

Can we just leave it here, guys? Owl has come up with a nice skin. Not all his own work, but he says so. He asks the guy it's for if it can be improved - he's open to criticism. He is probably pleased with himself for coming out with it so quickly, but why not? He's 14.

I think Owl is an asset now, though he is also a pain at times (I'm not going to show you the e-mails, but Owl, if you don't like it, don't go there), he also has lots of potential, unlike the burnt-out wrecks the rest of us are. I'd rather put up with his unjustified smugness than the complete indifference to anything that wasn't shown on TV in the last half hour that many of his generation seem to exhibit. Anyway, he gives us something to argue about until SoW:Bob finally appears....

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Can we just leave it here, guys? Owl has come up with a nice skin. Not all his own work, but he says so. He asks the guy it's for if it can be improved - he's open to criticism. He is probably pleased with himself for coming out with it so quickly, but why not? He's 14.

I think Owl is an asset now, though he is also a pain at times (I'm not going to show you the e-mails, but Owl, if you don't like it, don't go there), he also has lots of potential, unlike the burnt-out wrecks the rest of us are. I'd rather put up with his unjustified smugness than the complete indifference to anything that wasn't shown on TV in the last half hour that many of his generation seem to exhibit. Anyway, he gives us something to argue about until SoW:Bob finally appears....

AndyJWest pretty much sums it up for me, except for the part about arguing until BoB:SOW. I'd rather not have that.

I've been around the IL2 community since the first demo was leaked, like a lot of people. Some of those same people have posted in this thread. I will say this about most of those people whose comments I've read on various forums, flew with online and have gotten to know personally and that is that the majority will cut most everyone some slack in their opinions, forgive past mistakes and pretty much go out of their way to help others learn this game.

It's good Owl and yourself have your own forum. With his budding self professed skills as a skinner and mod maker and you being a "Top grade Moderator for hire" you shouldn't have any issue carving your own niche in the IL2 world or be bothered by other forums opinions of yourselves.

Yes, the majority are quite nice. But there's an annoying minority that won't go away and who have made their presence felt here. You know who you are. As for my signature, I chose it because I'm a moderator at heart, and would moderate for a place if asked. All the glory and none of the responsibility is not the way I like it.

[AndyJWest]

Top grade Moderator for hire.

I'd rather have moderators selected from those who didn't actually want to do the job, but agreed because they were asked too. It is a thankless task, and not one with thin skins...

Back on topic. Owl has come up with the goods, or at least he hasn't had his work rejected out of hand - lets all keep him out of trouble by finding him another skin to do. Any requests?

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I'd rather have moderators selected from those who didn't actually want to do the job, but agreed because they were asked too. It is a thankless task, and not one with thin skins...

Back on topic. Owl has come up with the goods, or at least he hasn't had his work rejected out of hand - lets all keep him out of trouble by finding him another skin to do. Any requests?

I adjusted my signature to better include my views of moderating. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a thankless task. Indeed, it's an enjoyable experience for me. Having such responsibility for the well being of a community is what I like. Requests for Owl... How about a Ferrari A-20G?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I'd rather have moderators selected from those who didn't actually want to do the job, but agreed because they were asked too. It is a thankless task, and not one with thin skins...

Back on topic. Owl has come up with the goods, or at least he hasn't had his work rejected out of hand - lets all keep him out of trouble by finding him another skin to do. Any requests?

Exactly. AAA don't just choose random people; if you can't do the job you get chopped; simple. I wouldn't be a moderator there if I did a bad job, believe me when I say this. However, if you have an issue with me, then go ahead and take it up with Monguse or DM (etc) They read this boards and I have no messages from them to say you're chopped. I don't enjoy being a moderator all the time, as AJ stated it is thankless, but unlike you I have a lot more posts to deal with during the day. Owl's forum may get a post a week, if that.

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

The problem is, the great majority of the "drama" is stirred up by others. Owl is not always mature, I will admit, but he doesn't start the majority of trouble. It starts when he makes something and someone else feels the urge to misbehave.

I've been around the IL2 community since the first demo was leaked, like a lot of people. Some of those same people have posted in this thread. I will say this about most of those people whose comments I've read on various forums, flew with online and have gotten to know personally and that is that the majority will cut most everyone some slack in their opinions, forgive past mistakes and pretty much go out of their way to help others learn this game.

It's good Owl and yourself have your own forum. With his budding self professed skills as a skinner and mod maker and you being a "Top grade Moderator for hire" you shouldn't have any issue carving your own niche in the IL2 world or be bothered by other forums opinions of yourselves.