Let us please avoid the black screen in next sim.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Sometimes you can get a PK with a lucky shot from your .303s on a head on, but the damage to the actual aiframe might be minimal. In such a case and if you're opponent has a well trimmed aircraft, it might take as much as 5-10 minutes (depending on altitude) for the aircraft to crash.

Making people wait on a screen for 10 minutes in multiplayer would not go down well with most (example, Rise of Flight multiplayer where you can also spectate and it still gets tedious to wait, imagine staring at a blank screen).

It depends on the scenario i think. For a co-op/non-respawning game mode, knock yourself out. In a DF/persistent server with respawns though, we don't simulate one pilot, as much as we simulate a series of sorties by possibly different pilots during the course of the battle. It would make sense to scramble additional fighters when you lose contact with the previous flight and since we can't have 200 people per side to enforce a 1 death per mission rule, the same guys respawn in a new aircraft to simulate the next batch of reinforcements. In that case, having to wait for the aircraft to impact the ground would be like saying "we can't take off until the previous flight are all dead".

From a realism standpoint neither one makes too much sense, so we compromise. If we want to simulate a single mission and a single pilot it's co-ops, if we want to simulate a series of sorties it's DF and there's different kinds of "death penalties" that work well with each one.

My "Record" was 5 almost vertical loops preformed after I'ld been killed in a Hurricane that I had trimmed nose-up, each time i was missing the ground by less than 100 feet. It was right in the takeoff path of one of my teams airstrips and my fellow team members thought I was playing silly-buggers and were swearing at me and telling me to cut it out! Several had to take emergency evasive action to avoid collision!

All good clean fun!

Cheers!

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

My "Record" was 5 almost vertical loops preformed after I'ld been killed in a Hurricane that I had trimmed nose-up, each time i was missing the ground by less than 100 feet. It was right in the takeoff path of one of my teams airstrips and my fellow team members thought I was playing silly-buggers and were swearing at me and telling me to cut it out! Several had to take emergency evasive action to avoid collision!

All good clean fun!

Cheers!

LOL, I've always hated that about IL2. I don't think the controls should freeze after death, they should go "limp". Even if the plane is well trimmed it's unlikely that the pilot's body wouldn't interfere with the controls. Even in CFS1 the plane would react to the pilot being killed.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Poor, poor boy. He can't handle staring at a black screen. Isn't it sad?

It's indeed frustrating and sometimes sad, but that's war, after all!

I've felt a bit bad for it a number of times. That low run in a flaky place, and when you're about to press the trigger - bang! and it's all over in less than a second.

I guess the most dramatic experience with sims I ever had was in Rise of Flight. Your aircraft gets shot, a piece of your wing support is broken. You try to control it, and when it's almost stabilized, the wing goes off like a leaf. A crazy spin, you try to do something, but it just won't recover, there's no way out, and the ground getting closer, and closer, and closer... and it's over.

Il-2 is a bit lighter, as you can bail out, anyway...

The thing is, war isn't a nice cute thing, and there's no need to try to make it like such.

[Billfish]

My Vote...........



K2

[Lonely Ringer]

Yep ... dead is dead I vote for black screen weather or not you see it comming is .... well . weather or not you see it comming..other wise get an xthingy and go arcade .....scheesssh .... stop your whinning and clean up your room... put your dirty clothes in the laundry and go to school.

John 3:16

[choctaw111]

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I am dead, I don't think I will be seeing or hearing too much, as in black screen and no sound.

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R.

Well, after some thought I have to agree it would have no relevance. But still, it would be nice to have the aircraft rendered until it hits the ground instead of disappearing in the mid air when one hits re-fly.

Oh certainly! I agree. But these things don't have to be connected to each other. It's just a matter of not making things disappear into thin air regardless of what a user chooses to do.

On that thought - how about making planes (try to) return to base under AI control if a person disconnects/despawns? And not allowing them to return until the AI pilot controlling that plane is dead or landed/bailed out (necessary to avoid people spamming planes or abusing the mechanics, and discouraging them from despawning in mid air). I really hate to see stuff appear and dissappear like that. How much more unimmersive can it get? It's an insult to our sense of reality and has no place in a simulator.

Originally Posted by airmalik

recollection of people that were clinically dead and then revived would suggest otherwise A lot of people in such cases recall out of body experiences and in some cases looking down at their own bodies.

Amusing and, I badly want to believe it means something. But most likely this is hallucinative/dream like states that the brain can experience when it's on the brink of becoming brain dead. "Clinically dead" only means the heart stops beating, by the way, and not that the person (their brain) is dead. My dad once had an experience like this - he fainted in sports class in his school days inside a big building they were playing some team sports in, and he saw himself and everyone from above. Most likely he was dreaming that he was floating around, because he could still hear (somewhat), thus could hear what was being said around him. Matching that with what he imagined things would look like, and it seems convincing enough.

Regardless, I wish very, very much that there is something to these reports other than dreamstates.

Originally Posted by BadAim

LOL, I've always hated that about IL2. I don't think the controls should freeze after death, they should go "limp". Even if the plane is well trimmed it's unlikely that the pilot's body wouldn't interfere with the controls. Even in CFS1 the plane would react to the pilot being killed.

I think it is rare that people just 'die' instantaneously. Only a hit to the neck or head, or strong overpressure (from explosion - instant unconciousness at least) will cause the body to go auto-limp without any special input. In such cases, I think it depends on the control forces involved and what the pilot was doing at that moment. Elevator controls are very light on a Fw 190 for example, at low speeds, and I can imagine that it would either nose down or up if the hand even lightly started pulling on the stick.

But to get other reactions, the situations where lack of control isn't instantaneous (hit to torso or limb), I think it is highly likely the pilot might jerk the stick in some direction as a reflex of the experience, even if death is just seconds away.

The meaning of it all = you have a point, though it is more complicated than one might think.

Originally Posted by Lucas_From_Hell

Poor, poor boy. He can't handle staring at a black screen. Isn't it sad?

It's indeed frustrating and sometimes sad, but that's war, after all!

I agree with most of your post.

But who says he can't handle it? And that he's poor because of it? He just has a different preference to the majority of posters here. Taking it as far as to sarcastically mock/ridicule/insult this fellow is not acceptable. This goes for other posters in this topic as well. Stay respectful. (I have had several experiences in the past where if one expresses anything contrary to popular opinion, people group up, and once they notice most or all don't agree with the deviant fellow, they do away with civil behaviour and can become very unpleasant to extreme levels - bullying/mobbing and so on, much worse than this, as no one will punish them for it).

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by BadAim

I don't think the controls should freeze after death, they should go "limp". Even if the plane is well trimmed it's unlikely that the pilot's body wouldn't interfere with the controls. Even in CFS1 the plane would react to the pilot being killed.

The pilot's body should be held firmly in it's seat by it's harness and (in my case) +'ve G and hopefully away from the controls

The reason we trim a plane is so it will maintain an attiude (or control deflection) without any force being applied by the pilot.

Now in my case I was trimming the plane on the verge of a black out so that if I went unconcious I wouldn't hit the ground. So there was a substantial nose up trim on my Hurricane.

During the late 40's early 50's a light plane (an Auster) took of from a Sydney airport by it'self (The pilot having got out to hand spin the prop! ) it took off and circled Sydney harbour for several hours while RAAF Mustangs tried to bring it down over the water. The Mustang pilots were quite red faced when the plane ran out of fuel by it's self and crashed into the water!

I guess some planes just want to fly!
Cheers

[Loco-S]

It could be interesting the sound of a really loud "thud" with a loud tinnitus like buzz, and the controls going limp, then the sound of gurgling, like you do when somebody kicks you in the nuts, then the sounds slowly fading and then the progression between tunnel vision and then the black screen...that could be like a warning that you are out for better pastures.

otherwise, its kind of funnily annoying having that black screen.

[doordie]

Since this polarizes people so much please do the sensible thing and have many options.