KBAP Info Thread

[pavned]

About the damages, the destruction percentage is additional to the item percentage? I would have tought that, since the destruction skill is permanent once you get it, it would serve as a base for the calulation of the base damage, like the intellect modifier.

In the same trend, does stoneskin (+% of def) take into account the defense modifier if you cast Mana Spring (+def) just before? If so, does the stoneskin is set once cast, meaning it become a definate number instead of % or does it change as % if the mana spring spell wears out.

[DGDobrev]

About the stone skin + magic spring... Looking at the formulas, I'm inclined to think that the bonus from stone skin will add to the current Defense stat regardless of the magic spring bonus (if it's cast in advance), because they should be separate. I am no certain about it, but this assumption feels accurate.

[WhYdOyOuThInKtHaThApPeNeD]

So for Pet Rage attacks. Just to confirm but it seems like it should be:

Crushing Blow: Physical
Ball Lightning: Magical
Dragon Dive: Physical
Fiery Phantom: Astral
Volcanoes: Fire

[WhYdOyOuThInKtHaThApPeNeD]

Actually I'm glad you bring it up pavned. This is a question I've been thinking to work out how to ask, since it's kind of abstract. But basically what you're saying.

How do the empowerment spells and other effects that use percentage stack? A good example as you gave is the Mana Spring & Stone Skin. If Spring is cast first does the % boost of Skin use the base defense of the unit or does it calculate off of the rating after Spring is added? The thing is there are so many different spells and items and skills and talents and such that add or subtract fixed numbers and percentages the permutations are too vast to try and make a complete list.

So is there a rule that applies to everything? If there are exceptions what are they? I would think one would need to examine the game code to really get a complete and certain answer, or get one of the game designers to give the info.

I would think that each % empowerment would calculate off the base rating and then those numbers would be added together. So it's not like upgrading the Destruction skill as early as possible is a good strat because everything that comes after is calculated from the new figures provided by Destruction.

[Zechnophobe]

Nah, you can just do math to it. Effects that increase the stats of a unit, increase based on the base stats. Things that add do so after.

So stat_total = stat_base * (1 + sum of percentile bonus) + sum of absolute bonus

where percentile bonuses are like .3 for having full morale, or 1 for female units with the incubus boy toy. Absolute bonuses are things like the stats of Amelie, mana spring, or specific bonus' from items.

There are a few exceptions to this, and I think those abilities generally say. For instance, I think the ability from bears to increase their attack after they take damage specifically says 'current' somewhere in there. I have not yet mathed that one.

So, stoneskin for 20%, and +10 mana spring on a unit with 10 defense baseline will have 22 defense. +2 for stoneskin, +10 for mana spring.

I have not tested this in a while (I maybe only did for The Legend), so if someone has empirical data that contradicts me, I'd be happy to revise.