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Houndstone Hawk · #1 02-13-2010, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zg26

Think they're missing the point that selling a game thats incomplete/with bugs is not a good look. The patch was a chance to make that right and by not patching they're sullying the Il2 Brand. I don't believe its entirely the publishers fault as the game was released in an incomplete state (possibly due to pressure from the publisher).
And now we know for certain there will be NO german cockpits.

I won't say I'll never buy another Il2 game again because they've got us over a barrel as they're the only ones doing WW2 flight sims for console but I will think twice and certainly won't buy until I know for certain the Axis aircraft have cockpit views.

As for the DLC not selling - it was overpriced and it didn't have German cockpits! And I still bought it anyway!

This half-baked console attempt is not IL-2. It has nothing to do with Oleg Maddox; it never did.

zg26 · #2 02-13-2010, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

This half-baked console attempt is not IL-2. It has nothing to do with Oleg Maddox; it never did.

Well perception counts for alot and in this case its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related.
(1) They both share the moniker Il-2.
(2) IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles (from forum title).

juz1 · #3 02-13-2010, 08:37 AM

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Houndstone Hawk · #4 02-13-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How????? Because they both feature the same a/c?

If you believe they're closely related, then you've very little experience of IL-2 on PC I'm guessing as you would know they're worlds apart. Different in approach, mentality, looks, feel, sound, intentions, the list is endless. One is full of realism, immersion & attention to detail & the other is an arcade 'shoot 'em up'. Why do you think they dropped the IL-2 Sturmovik namesake from the PC version?!

The forum title was always a good laugh imo.

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Because they both feature the same a/c?

PantherAttack2 · #5 02-13-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How?????

Why don't you actually pay attention to what zg26 said? There's no point in saying "Um, How?????" when he just said how. Plus you automatically assume he has very little experience with the original IL-2 (and expansions), which really has nothing to do with what he posted. It seems he was pointing out things that the general public will draw conclusions with ("same IL-2 name, oh, it must be a new version or something"). My respect for you has reached a new low.

I'm making a guess here of course, but maybe it is you that has little experience with IL-2 BoP. On Sim mode, although not as realistic as IL-2 for PC, it is still more than an arcade "shoot 'em up". I don't see people in sim mode zooming around and shooting things down with a few bursts of fire and not even stalling or anything. Even realistic isn't that bad. And attention to detail... Have you even seen the scenery? It's way better than anything IL-2 1946 had or will have, ever. And there is plenty of immersion in IL-2 for PC, but it's kind of hard to feel like a World War II pilot with the 2d smoke trails the planes leave when damaged. Or the bad explosions. That said of course, graphics aren't everything but they still play an important role.

And yes, I have played the original IL-2. I own it and I play it often. It's a great game. Just because it is much much better than BoP doesn't mean BoP is some kind of Blazing Angels arcade game. Even on arcade mode it's better than that.

Houndstone Hawk · #6 02-13-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

Why don't you actually pay attention to what zg26 said? There's no point in saying "Um, How?????" when he just said how. Plus you automatically assume he has very little experience with the original IL-2 (and expansions), which really has nothing to do with what he posted. It seems he was pointing out things that the general public will draw conclusions with ("same IL-2 name, oh, it must be a new version or something"). My respect for you has reached a new low.

I'm making a guess here of course, but maybe it is you that has little experience with IL-2 BoP. On Sim mode, although not as realistic as IL-2 for PC, it is still more than an arcade "shoot 'em up". I don't see people in sim mode zooming around and shooting things down with a few bursts of fire and not even stalling or anything. Even realistic isn't that bad. And attention to detail... Have you even seen the scenery? It's way better than anything IL-2 1946 had or will have, ever. And there is plenty of immersion in IL-2 for PC, but it's kind of hard to feel like a World War II pilot with the 2d smoke trails the planes leave when damaged. Or the bad explosions. That said of course, graphics aren't everything but they still play an important role.

And yes, I have played the original IL-2. I own it and I play it often. It's a great game. Just because it is much much better than BoP doesn't mean BoP is some kind of Blazing Angels arcade game. Even on arcade mode it's better than that.

What on earth are you on?
My question still remains. How is it that the comparison between the 2 can be made? It's obvious to make comparisons between BoP & Blazing Angels or SWON & compare IL-2 to BoB but comparing a game to a SIM just because it shares the same name for sales reasons is baffling when they're 2 completely different beasts.

You've made your 'respect' toward me quite known previously, on a personal level & through my videos & as you would most likely expect, I really am going to lose very little sleep over it. I will always hold my opinion that BoP is lightyears apart from IL-2 & comparisons cannot be made.

Why dont you stop being a 'P.C.' idiot & wake up. I'm not attacking the X360 BoP forum members at a low point. The way these guys have been treated is very frustating where the patch is concerned. I'm merely commenting, as I've always done; to BoP being (or not being) a close resemblance to IL-2 Sturmovik. My opinionated nature means I will air my view, regardless of what it will do to my 'respect' levels of Mr PantherAttack! If I have something to say, I will say it. I won't bend my views for popularity votes & your respect for me means as much to me as last night's dishwater. That said, I have alot of respect for many 'open minded' & interesting users of this forum. I thank my lucky stars that, ppl worrying about 2D smoke trails (that have since been MODDED like everything else in IL-2) don't include.

2D smoke btw? From a fan of a game where wheels don't turn & pilots eject THROUGH canopies or fly planes with wrong or even NO cockpits.

PantherAttack2 · #7 02-13-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zg26

Well perception counts for alot and in this case its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related.
(1) They both share the moniker Il-2.
(2) IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles (from forum title).

To which you (Houndstone Hawk) replied:

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How?????

My point is he just gave you two valid points and yet you still asked him "how?". It's like saying:

"There are two reasons why this game sucks- it's not realistic and the graphics are bad."

and then someone says to him:

"How does it suck?"

And this is my personal preference of course, but one question mark is enough.
Notice how I never made any insults, too, in this post and my last.

And what's this about your videos? As I recall I didn't even comment on them, if I did and I don't remember I don't think my post contains some sort of attack. And I really appreciate it, but the Mr. before my name is not necessary.

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

That said, I have alot of respect for many 'open minded' & interesting users of this forum.

As do I.

Edit: I do see how my previous post could be seen as offensive to Houndstone Hawk. I apologize, I was merely trying to get a point across which I think I have done so correctly in this post.

Houndstone Hawk · #8 02-13-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

To which you (Houndstone Hawk) replied:

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How?????

My point is he just gave you two valid points and yet you still asked him "how?". It's like saying:

"There are two reasons why this game sucks- it's not realistic and the graphics are bad."

and then someone says to him:

"How does it suck?"

And this is my personal preference of course, but one question mark is enough.
Notice how I never made any insults, too, in this post and my last.

And what's this about your videos? As I recall I didn't even comment on them, if I did and I don't remember I don't think my post contains some sort of attack. And I really appreciate it, but the Mr. before my name is not necessary.

As do I.

Edit: I do see how my previous post could be seen as offensive to Houndstone Hawk. I apologize, I was merely trying to get a point across which I think I have done so correctly in this post.

LOL, your PC (political correctness) skills are truly amazing. You're beginning to sound like a canvassing politician on the ropes, seeking pc popularity.

Houndstone Hawk · #9 02-13-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

Edit: I do see how my previous post could be seen as offensive to Houndstone Hawk. I apologize, I was merely trying to get a point across which I think I have done so correctly in this post.

You don't speak to the masses? Speaking directly to me but in the third person then. Very clever.
Stupid insult. Do you even
know what that is I wonder.

Yep. Enough on the subject. Topic between us closed!

stealth finger · #10 02-13-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

What on earth are you on?
My question still remains. How is it that the comparison between the 2 can be made? It's obvious to make comparisons between BoP & Blazing Angels or SWON & compare IL-2 to BoB but comparing a game to a SIM just because it shares the same name for sales reasons is baffling when they're 2 completely different beasts.

You answer your own question. They can be compared because they both start IL2-...

90% of people will know nothing about oleg maddox or even care, will see the il2 and whatever impression they have of the name. Regardless of who made what and how that opens them up for comparison. also that theyof the same genre and general style

Why is it people think you can only compare like for like. Anything can be compared to anything else.