Impossible Warrior - no buy

[DGDobrev]

Most interesting tactic, and very imaginative, if I might add. However, that pretty much forces you to go on a kiting spree, because you'll need to start around lvl 20 or so to make good use of the spells you listed with a warrior, because you will be hard pressed to delve deep into the magic tree. In addition to that, you will need a good supply of mana to achieve that goal. Time back is 30, Sacrifice is 20... If you don't have any good means of restoring the mana (like mana accelerator, because concentration is way too deep in the magic tree and you need distortion lvl 2 and chaos lvl 1 at least), you may be stuck at ground zero if you don't have enough runes.

[fable]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Most interesting tactic, and very imaginative, if I might add. However, that pretty much forces you to go on a kiting spree, because you'll need to start around lvl 20 or so to make good use of the spells you listed with a warrior, because you will be hard pressed to delve deep into the magic tree. In addition to that, you will need a good supply of mana to achieve that goal. Time back is 30, Sacrifice is 20... If you don't have any good means of restoring the mana (like mana accelerator, because concentration is way too deep in the magic tree and you need distortion lvl 2 and chaos lvl 1 at least), you may be stuck at ground zero if you don't have enough runes.

It's not that bad. I've attached my save game at level 6, before using the wanderer scroll for vampires. You can buy a +20 mana item in the mage tower for a total of 30 mana. My dragon started with mana accelerator. That, and mana spring would provide the mana regen. You only need distortion level 1, first level time back is good for level 3. If you spend the runes you can already get both distortion and chaos magic. Too bad Time back is not for sale in Verona in this save game. Hopefully you could find enough gold in Verona to buy it.

[DGDobrev]

Looks pretty good, but you will still need to kite. The army you have set up is indded containers only, but it is prone to suffering casualties. Some of the enemies you have in debir are pretty badly set... At least you have a Verona map on Scarlet.

I also stand corrected on the time back, it will work on the griffins. You have 1 + 1 egg, there are a few more in verona, and this is a decent starting point for your tactic.

Well, might be worth the try. In any case, it will be fun

EDIT: I suppose the units you get from robbing graves do count? Skeleton Archers can be quite nice if one can get his hands on a decent amount of them through sacrifice. Although they're low on HP, evlin can resurrect thousands of them. Same can be said about the 2 types of zombies. Vampires, Ancient Vampires, Zombies, Decaying Zombies and Skeleton Archers may be a fun party to play with. Now, if there was a way to transform spiders into undead spiders, I would have been even happier.

[fable]

Here's another savegame, "turn back time" in verona, "sacrifice" in rusty anchor, and the verona map guard in scarlet wind is 1600 devilfish, as seen on the screenshot. The griffin just has to keep flying between 2 places while the archers do the job. It's just a trial run, there would be 6 archers and more thorns if done properly. I've used up 2 call of nature scrolls as cannon fodders, to build up rage for the wall. I expect it'd take around 200 turns.

[DGDobrev]

OMG Feeling masochistic? That's a lot of real time spent. Why not simply do the kiting run and start with Vamps, 2 types of zombies, Griffins and Skel Archers?

[fable]

I don't like map kiting Also, it's about pushing the limits.

I'm level 40 with my warrior, I want to finish that first, at least I'll see if I can beat gremlion with griffins. I'm pretty sure the 2 stack of vampires will own Baal and the big lizard.
After that I'll see... I also have a plan of trying the paladin class with level 1-2 units only (without any other constraints, except "no map kiting").

[fable]

Well, I've finished with that savegame. No buy, no loss, no wanderer scrolls. Just 5 griffin eggs and a carved coffin

The fight for Verona map indeed took 203 turns it was boring as hell, until turn 197 when the remaining 67 devilfish started to be tricky and "wait". Archers's ice arrow saved the day. The rest of the game was lots of fun with quite a few challenges. Getting 30 mana for the first few time back was a close one (2 from rat meat, 3 from shrine, etc), I had to spend a lot of magic runes on Wisdom. Sacrifice was sold on Rusty Anchor but its map was inaccessible, I had to kite away Old Rotbox in Verona, it was also sold there. The carved coffin was also there but you can grab it without kiting him. For a long time I was barely able to cast one sacrifice per battle, the vampires were growing slowly. Mana spring was not for sale until Montero. Later, with more rage coming in, and Chaos Magic 2, it was much faster, I could get 30-50 vampires per battle in easy fights, and stocked up a lot to last through the game. I got the ancient vampires very late, because I had to clear the basement on Nameless, and there were 460 necromancers and 45 bone dragons versus my griffins. They became a full stack and a lot in reserve in a few battles, and sadly, it was too easy after that, so I quickly finished it instead of clearing everything. Gremlion was easy. K'hatu was tricky due to the gorgonuas, a vampire with mark of blood wouldn't survive a turn. Baal was a close one. They would have been easy if I got more levels (I was level 48 at the end) and the staff with -15% undead leadership... but easy is no fun, is it?