Friday 2010-01-22 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[Desgobbi]

Originally Posted by Qpassa

The shadow of the rudder of the boat is bit weird

I think it's great. "the Shadow"? Do you mean the underwater screw things of the boat? It looks nice.

[Romanator21]

The problem is not the shaking. It's the visual representation of shaking that we only feel with our bodies. Since it's a computer game, all our input is visual.

1) Keep the shaking as is to make up for the lack of tactile and inner-ear input.

2) Tone down the shaking to make the sim look visually accurate.

[Galagonya]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

The problem is not the shaking. It's the visual representation of shaking that we only feel with our bodies. Since it's a computer game, all our input is visual.

1) Keep the shaking as is to make up for the lack of tactile and inner-ear input.

2) Tone down the shaking to make the sim look visually accurate.

Totally agree. I would go for option 2, since (although it might incorrect in strictly visual sense) this provides important information that a pilot would otherwise receive by feeling the physics. I think the present compromise (shaking visual and yet still focused view of the recticle) actually quite balanced and well thought.

[Eldur]

Originally Posted by Galagonya

Totally agree. I would go for option 2, since (although it might incorrect in strictly visual sense) this provides important information that a pilot would otherwise receive by feeling the physics. I think the present compromise (shaking visual and yet still focused view of the recticle) actually quite balanced and well thought.

I'd keep it as it is. It gives a nice feeling. Just notice, that it's not shaking at the beginning, just after he Split-Ses, the turbulences come visible. And that weather does look bad, so I excpect quite some turbulences. Still one should notice that the reticle does barely shake, so the plane is not jerking around.

The best thing would be if people could change the intensity of head shaking on a scale from 0 to 1 in conf.ini. 0 is no shake, 1 = like video. It shouldn't be in difficulty settings, as it's a matter of personal preference. No shaking wouldn't make it easier, rather harder (no stall buffeting etc).

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Eldur

The best thing would be if people could change the intensity of head shaking on a scale from 0 to 1 in conf.ini. 0 is no shake, 1 = like video. It shouldn't be in difficulty settings, as it's a matter of personal preference. No shaking wouldn't make it easier, rather harder (no stall buffeting etc).

I think you're right - this should definitely be an option that is not tied to difficulty settings - I am not one of those people, but many people experience really bad feelings of nausea in games where head-bob is modeled too strongly, for example. I've heard of people being completely unable to play games they were really anticipating because of it.
I do remember feeling a bit queasy at first when I played S.T.A.L.K.E.R. with head-bob enabled.

[Matze81]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

... this should definitely be an option that is not tied to difficulty settings.

I think so, too.

I hope they just keep those options, like they were/are in Il-2. As far as I remember, there were difficulty settings and the game applied the realism settings accordingly, but the player was still able to customize every single setting individually.

For example I liked the flight model to be set as realistic as possible, but I didn't care for the complex engine management, so I disabled that. I'm pretty sure there was also a switch for the headshake, which I had disabled as well.

So, I'm confident Oleg will keep those options available to the player, like they were in Il-2. Would work for me!

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Matze81

I hope they just keep those options, like they were/are in Il-2. As far as I remember, there were difficulty settings and the game applied the realism settings accordingly, but the player was still able to customize every single setting individually.

Well, if it was like that it would mean that people who aren't too hot on camera-bobbing would find it a bit uncomfortable to join online games where it was set on in the difficulty options. I think having it as an option in the graphics settings would be the best bet.

[Foo'bar]

Originally Posted by Desgobbi

I think it's great. "the Shadow"? Do you mean the underwater screw things of the boat? It looks nice.

I think he meant the steering wheel's shadow.

[Qpassa]

I hope that shaking will be included in an improved force feedback engine

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Qpassa

I hope that shaking will be included in an improved force feedback engine

You really don't feel much from the controls when its turbulent