To the brave few......

[winny]

I play all three modes..

Arcade is fun. It is not just point and shoot (although most on there think it is)
all the best dogfights are in Arcade mode.. (I'd prefer it if all of you "never play Arcade" types didn't start flaming me because if you haven't played arcade you can't comment!).

I also love the depth of Sim mode, but, most dogfights and team battles end about 10 feet off the ground. Now correct me if I'm wrong, in every account of WWII air combat that I've read (a lot) they all repeat the same mantra.. Altitude, Altitude, Altitude... If sim mode is sooo realistic why is everyone flying sooo bloody low? I'll tell you why.. because it's not realistic. There are loads of technical posts on here about turn radius and rate of climb and so on but it's all made totally irrelevant because everyone's hiding down near the ground. None of these planes were designed to fight at such a low level.

Like I said, I love the feel of sim mode and like playing it.

That said I'm looking forward to the tourney because I believe that it will actually be fought in the sky.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by winny

I play all three modes..

Arcade is fun. It is not just point and shoot (although most on there think it is)
all the best dogfights are in Arcade mode.. (I'd prefer it if all of you "never play Arcade" types didn't start flaming me because if you haven't played arcade you can't comment!).

I also love the depth of Sim mode, but, most dogfights and team battles end about 10 feet off the ground. Now correct me if I'm wrong, in every account of WWII air combat that I've read (a lot) they all repeat the same mantra.. Altitude, Altitude, Altitude... If sim mode is sooo realistic why is everyone flying sooo bloody low? I'll tell you why.. because it's not realistic. There are loads of technical posts on here about turn radius and rate of climb and so on but it's all made totally irrelevant because everyone's hiding down near the ground. None of these planes were designed to fight at such a low level.

Like I said, I love the feel of sim mode and like playing it.

That said I'm looking forward to the tourney because I believe that it will actually be fought in the sky.

The sim games go low because the ground provides us with cover, somewhere to hide. Makes it hard for the enemy to see you. Yet if we play with cloud cover on the fights are at a medium altitude using clouds for cover or hit and run.

[dkwookie]

The fact is I enjoy all game modes but play arcade mode because I enjoy it most. My freind list play arcade and we have a great blast .
The point here is, as has been stated by others in other threads, sim players on here always run down arcade mode. I could grab quotes from this thread about noobs and all that but cant be bothered.
I don't pile into sim threads saying stuff like "drop your anoraks and trainspotting books and join me for some fun in arcade mode"
I respect that people enjoy sim and don't see any need to suggest another mode has more depth and their mode is populated with shallow score chasers.
It just seems any arcade thread takes about 6 posts max before someone posts a comment about how the planes turn on a sixpence or how arcade dogfights are mindless turn battles.

[phlux]

Please let's not turn this into a sim vs arcade debate. It's only an issue because that's the mode the OP said he played. I believe everyone's point was that if he thinks he has his game mastered (arcade) then he needs to try a different sport (realistic or sim). The modes are different, not better, just different. I doubt any of us are defending our homeland from a cockpit Monday morning, so it's all good.

To the OP, nobody likes a braggar dood (but I'm sure you have figured it out by now).

[winny]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

The sim games go low because the ground provides us with cover, somewhere to hide. Makes it hard for the enemy to see you. Yet if we play with cloud cover on the fights are at a medium altitude using clouds for cover or hit and run.

You make a good point about cover.. I was kinda being deliberaltey provocative tho.. It's a boring Sunday after all. I hardly ever get into a sim game and find any sort of weather other than clear or hazy..

I was pointing out to all the "come play with the real pilots" posts that in fact the real pilots are all mostly flying so low to the ground that they may as well be driving, not piloting. To call Arcade unrealistic is a little rich.

I have questions about IL-2 1946/WoP. Does the same thing happen there online and do they have a target 'padlock?' view in sim mode? The only other Sim games I've really played were the MS Combat Flight Sims 1,2 & 3 and they had that option. (I loved CFS2.. the pacific one). I'm curious as this is the first IL game I've played and was wondering if target view in sim was frowned upon by the hardcore simmers?

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by winny

You make a good point about cover.. I was kinda being deliberaltey provocative tho.. It's a boring Sunday after all. I hardly ever get into a sim game and find any sort of weather other than clear or hazy..

I was pointing out to all the "come play with the real pilots" posts that in fact the real pilots are all mostly flying so low to the ground that they may as well be driving, not piloting. To call Arcade unrealistic is a little rich.

I have questions about IL-2 1946/WoP. Does the same thing happen there online and do they have a target 'padlock?' view in sim mode? The only other Sim games I've really played were the MS Combat Flight Sims 1,2 & 3 and they had that option. (I loved CFS2.. the pacific one). I'm curious as this is the first IL game I've played and was wondering if target view in sim was frowned upon by the hardcore simmers?

I, for one & probably not the best qualified to answer such a question because I much prefer the single payer skirmish, player constucted missions & campaign experiences ijn place of the wham, bam, gone & deliberate crashing of multiplayer but what I do know from 1946 is that the host can set all parametres before the game, such as allow target padlock etc. Wings of Prey I understand, is no different to Birds of Prey other than in SIM, you now have the benefit of playing in third person, but still without the padlock.

I personally believe that the whole target padlock thing contradicts what a flight game should be all about, as part of the skill of a real life pilot & a gamer, is to be aware of his surroundings at all times & not having the game engine do it for you. I know I'm in the minority here & that's just one reason why I prefer single play over multiplay. This is why I place so much emphasism on the motion tracking system. Everyone plays differently.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

I, for one & probably not the best qualified to answer such a question because I much prefer the single payer skirmish, player constucted missions & campaign experiences ijn place of the wham, bam, gone & deliberate crashing of multiplayer but what I do know from 1946 is that the host can set all parametres before the game, such as allow target padlock etc. Wings of Prey I understand, is no different to Birds of Prey other than in SIM, you now have the benefit of playing in third person, but still without the padlock.

Thanks.. I really struggle without padlock and wondered why it's not included as a Sim option.


The reason I would like it in is that if it's a simulation then it should simulate the pilot as well.. By that I mean that there should be a way to padlock onto a target that is visable through the canopy. Once your eyes have locked onto a target it should stay locked on unless it wouldn't be visable in real life (underneath or behind etc). Then you have to look around to re-aquire. This would behave more realistically because it's the way the human eye works. But, I can't think of a way that it would work other than on a timer (so if you look in the direction of a target for more than 10 seconds it locks on) to me that would make more sense than having to worry about 'controlling' your eyes and trying to fly a plane.

[Lexandro]

Well I can see I have hit few nerves by posting. I shall ignore some of the childish remarks and answer some of the more salient points.

Yes I do believe I have mastered arcade mode, which is evident to the people I have been playing. Many of them are not infact new players, they are old hands I have been playing against for a while. There has been an upsurge in recent weeks of people actually playing BoP on 360. In order to try and improve this somewhat I had an idea.

The intention of my post was to perk more interest in playing. You see as soon as someone makes a post such as mines, many people will them seek out that person online to play against them. This means that other players may come back to "show me up" as it were. Its inviting a challenge, a point that a number of you failed to realise. If some players see my post and then think "im going to take that bugger down a peg or two", then it means that there will be more people online playing.

As a few of the older members will remember I have in the past given a number of tips and pieces of advice to improve a players ability to play when faced with certain difficulties (such as taking out an IL on RL/Sim easily). I do play realistic on the odd occasion but as I have said before I dont have a flight stick so the subtle movements required for RL/Sim are extremely tricky for me with a pad due to a number of factors.

So, with any luck when I try and find a game online in the next few days I should see one or two of you peeps out there intending to give me a beating at BoP. The final part of my previous post was paying homage to the ones I play against and that beat me, and issuing a challenge to the ones that haven't.

I hope that about covers it.

[gbtstr]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

The intention of my post was to perk more interest in playing.

Interesting approach. You're still a tool.

[1.JaVA_LGorrit]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

The intention of my post was to perk more interest in playing.

There are other ways...
F.i. the guys who are trying to organize tournaments...
Or maybe we should start an XBOX league...
Where people register to a website, then can organize their matches...
With some leaderboard etc...

If you want to play, please add GT: LGorrit.