I-153: cheap or not?

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

It has twin MGs.

I thought the I-153 had cannons?

Anyway I don't feel cheap when I use the I-153 in sim mode because I know how easy it is to combat against them. I don't play arcade so I can't comment there.

[Ancient Seraph]

Yep, 2 x 20mm ShVAKs.

[Panzergranate]

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

Yep, 2 x 20mm ShVAKs.

According to German range tests, they can penetrate 27mm. of armour plate @ 100 metres, (about 50mm. of steel) with APHE shells and 63mm. at 100 metres with later HVAP solid shot.

The ShVak cannon fire too fast in the game. In real life, all cannon fire somewhat slower than machine guns, the larger the calibre the slower the rate of fire.

The ShVak was also the sole armament of the T-60 light tank, which has a 1 round per second fire rate, if one watches WW2 newsreal footage.

Some mono-planes could turn inside 1930's bi-planes..... the Brewster B-139 Buffalo could turn inside the US Navy's Boeing F1 and F2 bi-plane fighters it replaced. The RAF found that the B-339 version could out turn the Gloster Gladiator and pilots commented that it handled more like a bi-plane than a mono-plane.

The Finnish B-239 could out turn the I-16 and match the I-153 in turns.

It seems that radial engined fighters have better maneuevrability than inline engine arrangements. Also that fighters with a short fuselage with wide wing ratio handle extremely well, but have too much drag to attain high speeds, hence as fighter speeds rose, aircraft became longer with shorter wings and maneuverability decreased in relation to earlier and slower predecessors.

Note how the Spitfire IX handles better than the XVI version.

Short and stubby with wide wings (I-16, Buffalo, Wildcat, Ki-27, A5M, Raiden) = highly maneuverable but slow.

Long and sleek with long wings (Hurricane, Spitfire, Zero, Oscar, Hellcat, P-51-D, Fw-190) = good maneuverablity, good speed.

Long with average wings (Bf-109, Yak, La) = aceptable maneuverability, good speed.

Long with average wings (P-39, P-40, P-66, G-50, LaGG, P-51-B) = mediocre maneuverabilty, good speed.

Long and sleek with short wings (Mig-3, P-43, ) = not so maneuverable, good speed.

.... And then their are the way too heavy types.

(P-47, Fulmar, etc.) = flies like a piano, brick, etc.

[mattmanB182]

The I-173 is only "Cheap" in acrade mode, which does not bother me since I never play that.

I will get flamed for saying this, but I think the LA-7 is the cheapest plane in the other modes. I am not trying to rip the people that fly them, I actually like when people fly them because the challenge makes me a better pilot.

A high speed pass with a quick burst of my 30mm and the 153 is meat.

Perhaps by trying realistic or sim, you would be far less annoyed by the 153.

[David603]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

The I-153 is only "Cheap" in arcade mode, which does not bother me since I never play that.

I will get flamed for saying this, but I think the LA-7 is the cheapest plane in the other modes. I am not trying to rip the people that fly them, I actually like when people fly them because the challenge makes me a better pilot.

A high speed pass with a quick burst of my 30mm and the 153 is meat.

Perhaps by trying realistic or sim, you would be far less annoyed by the 153.

You have a point there about the La-7. It has a bit of a rep as a noob plane in Il2 1946 as well, simply because it is so good at low altitude dogfighting and the majority of fights take place in these conditions.

It rather hard to fight against, especially with my usual plane in Il2 1946 which is a late model Bf109G or K, because while these can match the La7 in speed they cannot turn with it, which means I have a very hard time in a sustained fight. That means I have to rely on using BnZ tactics only, and on making ambush kills and then getting out of the area fast.

[dkwookie]

The LA7 falls apart under gunfire very easily in arcade mode. Strange its potent in th other modes

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by David603

You have a point there about the La-7. It has a bit of a rep as a noob plane in Il2 1946 as well, simply because it is so good at low altitude dogfighting and the majority of fights take place in these conditions.

It rather hard to fight against, especially with my usual plane in Il2 1946 which is a late model Bf109G or K, because while these can match the La7 in speed they cannot turn with it, which means I have a very hard time in a sustained fight. That means I have to rely on using BnZ tactics only, and on making ambush kills and then getting out of the area fast.

The G has more firepower but is a less stable shooting platform. The K has less firepower but is more stable......also cant turn with the G-6. I wish the F-4 could punch out of a wet paper bag, I LOVE how it flies. Any of them have a hard time dealing with the LA-7.

[Araqiel]

Originally Posted by David603

You have a point there about the La-7. It has a bit of a rep as a noob plane in Il2 1946 as well, simply because it is so good at low altitude dogfighting and the majority of fights take place in these conditions.

It rather hard to fight against, especially with my usual plane in Il2 1946 which is a late model Bf109G or K, because while these can match the La7 in speed they cannot turn with it, which means I have a very hard time in a sustained fight. That means I have to rely on using BnZ tactics only, and on making ambush kills and then getting out of the area fast.

I haven't tried the La-7, but I flew the La-5 in 1946 and the control column obscures your view of the slip ball when in the neutral poition - how am I intended to trim my rudder? Any ideas? Not being able to see the variometer on the MiG-9 is a pain for landing, too, although as it's the gunsight housing in the way I'm sure there's not much to be done about that. Bring on SoW and 6DoF, I guess.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Araqiel

I haven't tried the La-7, but I flew the La-5 in 1946 and the control column obscures your view of the slip ball when in the neutral poition - how am I intended to trim my rudder? Any ideas? Not being able to see the variometer on the MiG-9 is a pain for landing, too, although as it's the gunsight housing in the way I'm sure there's not much to be done about that. Bring on SoW and 6DoF, I guess.

Well, there is a mod that gives you 6DoF in Il2 1946, but that isn't part of the official game yet. The problem is that all the older cockpits in the sim were designed to use only a fixed viewpoint, which means if you are moving around in the cockpit you will see parts of the cockpit haven't been modeled.

Obviously, doing an upgrade for all these cockpits would be a massive task, so its unlikely this will ever be officially added to Il2.

[haitch40]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

The I-173 is only "Cheap" in acrade mode, which does not bother me since I never play that.

I will get flamed for saying this, but I think the LA-7 is the cheapest plane in the other modes. I am not trying to rip the people that fly them, I actually like when people fly them because the challenge makes me a better pilot.

A high speed pass with a quick burst of my 30mm and the 153 is meat.

Perhaps by trying realistic or sim, you would be far less annoyed by the 153.

yes you will get slated
take it up high its crap then
i prefur the spit though
oh and it has crap accuracy try firing on some1 its hard to get a hit