Finally I can put my MSFFB2 in the cellar! G940 godness...

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by 13th Hsqn Protos

I will let your logitech keyboard whines ..... stand on their own as the measure of your Hotas qualifications .... you lack all credibility in this thread because you have no facts to base it on.

I own it ..... you google youtube fsx videos about it ..... yeah your right - everyone should listen to you

You're losing your cool dude.

There are 6 billion people in the world, and I'm just one of them. No sense getting out of sorts because one person among all that mix doesn't agree with you.

Forums aren't about complete agreement, if that were the case what purpose would they serve. Your posting is not the first where someone has gone off on something this simple.

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

You're losing your cool dude.

Your posting is not the first where someone has gone off on something this simple.

Are you looking in the mirror before typing these things out?

This thread started out about an excellent new Hotas. Time to get the thead back on track.

Thanks to Mazex, Sokol and others for some fine information and graphs.



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[nearmiss]

Time will tell

[l88bastard]

Originally Posted by 13th Hsqn Protos

Are you looking in the mirror before typing these things out?

This thread started out about an excellent new Hotas. Time to get the thead back on track.

Thanks to Mazex, Sokol and others for some fine information and graphs.



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Ahh some people get very emotional over their hardware. Attachments are strong, its human nature, especially when you are talking about companies that have served a market strongly for many, many years (CH). But, currently the CH products are aged and have lost their competitive edge versus up and comers that offer better design and cooler features.

I used my ch setup for a year and it was great, but I am the type of consumer that moves on and does not look back. I am anxious to see CH's redesigns but from the sound of it those products are not going to hit market for at least 6 months, while their competitors superior products are available now (logitec).

My 8800 ultras are still very strong and viable, but for me, its time to step up to the current best and that is ATI. I don't discern between ATI or Nvidia, both make excellent products, but the nature of the business is one will always out top the other eventually. ATIs 9700pro wiped the slate with Nvidia and Nvidias 8 series wiped the slate with ATI and now ATI is back with the 5870. Its a constant arm wrestling match and that is why competition is so great!

[Codex]

Have to agree with l88bastard on this. As a regular up-grader I do understand that some are afraid of purchasing new kit, its not a nice felling to have new hardware with problems. Hell I bought the first round of the X52 and still have issues today, but I have had many years of enjoyment with it too. As of right now the G940 is here and is offering everything I want, even from just reading the specs, its a great piece of kit. Saitek's offering (X65) will not do as there's no FFB, and I don't know if CH has any FFB HOTAS in the pipe line at this stage, so for me this is a no brainer. I've ordered a G940 and I'll be picking it up tomorrow along with a TrackIR 5. It's time to move on

[unreasonable]

I have just got this set and started it up after abandoning my CH products HOTAS, which I liked, but suffered terribly from QC problems after 100 hours or so - throttle slider on Combatstick not working, random changes in game throttle power using the Pro Throttle (is this what you call spiking?)

First impressions are good - throttle a bit tricky to get calibrated correctly, but once up and running a very nice smooth response and feel.

If you are not too price sensitive worth a try... but at this price they better not break quickly!

[nearmiss]

It took me about 2 weeks before I had my CH hotas setup properly for what I wanted it to do in IL2. No, it wasn't about being difficult it was about where I what buttons I wanted to do certain things.

The CH control manager is an awesome tool, allowing me to program all kinds of applicatons... including development tools on my MFP programmable keyboard. It is not just a gamer tool. I simply load the profile for Il2, or BOB II WOV, or Jane's F/A-18 with a few clicks and as long as I still have a good recall for the programmed buttons I'm enjoying the sim. I don't have to mess with the keyboard for the most part or remember commands.

Example.. I wanted proppitch on the stick at the top left, next to the top right button. The top right button was for Elevator and rudder trip (4 way pov switch).

There are exceptional tools for setting up the CH hotas wherein after I set up the commands per the respective keys I can printout a picture of the stick with the commands clearly tagged. This helps a great deal after you program the hotas. I simply set the printout to the side and review it as a I use the hotas. It is a quantum leap to learning complex button arrangements I have programmed into the hotas. There are other exceptional tools as well that have been developed over the years.

In other words it tooks some time to work through the way I wanted things to be. A new hotas would require alot of new programming and other stuff for the number of sims I have setup now. I'm not lazy or anything like that, but it does take time to get a feel for changes in the hotas. Spending $300 when everything is working so well. It doesn't make a lot of sense for me... in my situation.

If you that are proponents of the Logitech hotas are talking the same a year from now I'd say your admiration may have merit. Can you accept that, without thinking it's bashing you for your choice of Logitech?

It is fair to let others know that all that glitters may not be gold, and that is the crux of what I've tried to say. Not trying to alienate or insult anyone.

Just a difference of opinion at this point in time. If the Logitech works out and is a stable platform, it won't matter if I agree or disagree. The proof will be in performance and longevity.

Pax

[HFC_Dolphin]

There's a simple reasoning to support CH: most IL-2 aces use it

Nothing simpler nearmiss and no need to explain a lot