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10-05-2009, 05:40 PM
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Do I need to repeat my contest setup again? Take a fighter, which is a historical opponent for that plane - 1936. I-16 type 5(6) - which it fought in Spain. Gladiator - fought in Africa Fokker - what-if B-534 - what-if or some other early war, non-cannon armed fighter. In fact 20mm cannons in all countries (except France) appeared after 1940... And please, I've no responsibility if you brake your joystick in anger 
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10-05-2009, 05:48 PM
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Using a bf110, I got the engine to catch fire, before the wing broke off, but it took a fair amounts of hits before anything happened.
I used the Fokker DXXI against it & ran out of ammo, but the engine was leaking fuel. The Sm.79 is a nice plane to fly & it handles well. Wish we could have a ju2 to fly around in - that was another tough old tri motor bird......
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10-05-2009, 05:57 PM
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Tipo bombers regularly made it home absolutely riddled with small calibre machine gun bullets.Thats why cannons were added to planes,because small calibre machine gun bullets were not able to destroy the planes easily,if at all.
But I have a feeling this is a useless argument,because surely you already know that!
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10-05-2009, 07:51 PM
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Typo man, i've tried the SM79 just few hours ago, and i've been KILLED ( while operating the dorsal machine gun ) by an AI hurricane with 12 .303 machineguns.
It is not impossible, it's just exremely difficult to do with .303. Try with 12.7 or with a couple of cannons, and you will see the result. Then try to do the same with an he 111, and you will realize that it's the .303 that has some problems! The SM79 was heavy armoured for it's time, and the .303 was a poor machinegun, for it's time. Both the engine and the fuel tank of SM79 was armoured and can withstand shots from .303. As you know, there were stories about he111 returning home with 200 bullet holes, and a fact about a couple of SM79 retuning home in addis abeba, one of whitch with 800 bullet holes, after been attacked by two hurricanes and two gladiator ( altought the gladiator was quickly left behind ). The Fiat BR20 ( a light bomber, of the same period of the SM79 and somewhat less capable ) has something like 158 kg of armpur around the fuel tanks, and can withstand shots from machineguns up to 12.7 mm. Cimicchi, an italian bomber pilot, wrote that seldom italian bombers was shot down by english fighters, even if they were hit and returned to base with wounded and death on board and with many holes. Simply, the .303 machinegun wasn't up to the task ( and that's because the hurricane, with a relative thick wing, rmounted 4 cannons quite easly, and the spitfire don't). During the battle of britain, it was dicovered by the same britains that the 4 .303 wasn't as good as 2 cannons for taking down bombers. That's the difference! Bombers are bigger and heavy armoured, fighters don't. For dogfight, 2 12.7 machineguns wew almost as good as 8 .303 machineguns. For Shooting down bombers, you need cannons ( that's why almost all late war fighters has cannons or, at least, 6 12.7 machineguns ). By the way, there is still some debate about the 6 12.7 american style machineguns, as most expert says that that wasn't the best wapon choice ( some say that 4 12.7 and 1 20 mm was the best ). These aren't my thoughts, but are the word of Michele M. Gaetani, writted on RID ( rivista italiana difesa ) of august 1996, with bibliography to support them. As many before me has said to you, try to engage the sm79 from ahead, or try to shoot to the pilot, or the fuel tanks ( that, by the way, lose fuel when hit, even by .303, and i've seen it by myself ). Or change weapons, as ALL the nation during ww2 has done. For example, can you shoot down a B29 wit just machineguns? Or will you need some more firepower? Not to mention the twin engine heavy fighter ... Quote :"So Italy could have simply conquered all of the world till 1941, when actually Hurricane IIC appeared..." That means, if i've understand correctly, that a plane very difficult to shoot down with a very inefficent weapon can bring a nation to victory regardless any other condition. During the battle of britain in 1940, the need for a more powerful weapons has created the spitfire with 20 mm guns, that has entered in service in 1941. Not the 1941 saw the entering in service of the cannon armed spitfire because someone has decided that 1941 it's the right year. If the battle of britain was happened, for example, a year later, than the guns probably will be pushed in service one year later. Every new weapon will be the best for only a limited amount of time, and after that, it will be surclassed by another weapon created just because of the first new weapon.  P.S. : I'm sorry for my english.
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10-05-2009, 11:19 PM
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10-05-2009, 08:50 PM
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 In a close image, no cannons, only bullets  But, I will try these others... I think that is a question of hit engines, without wasting amno in another parts of plane SP! Last edited by 28_Condor; 10-05-2009 at 09:19 PM.
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#9
10-05-2009, 09:44 PM
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Ask and thou shalt recieve.
https://www.yousendit.com/download/Z...bTgrV3l4dnc9PQ Yes it isn't a walk in the park but it's doable, plane used was the 1935 I-16 type 5. Tried a few times... ran out of ammo sometimes(twice i think) ,but most failed attempts were due to losing the engine or dying. Engine smoke and fuelleaks appeared each and every time. Rammed in the first track in that .rar but the plane was seconds away from ditching, I just kept pressing on to prove a point. 2nd track sees fire and a wing coming off shortly after and then me shooting the air to see how much ammo was left over. I'd suggest u improve your gunnery if u NEVER got it to leak fuel or smoke at all. (I'm a pretty bad pilot and certainly not over mediocre,so if I can do it...) edit : Seemed to have shot the planes rudder cable once but died right after so it didn't count, another run saw top and downward gunners not firing anymore shortly after the start so I assume they died. Just a little extra to rebuke in your opening post also note this part in the 4.09 guide : Shortly after, it was adapted to be used as a torpedo bomber, role to which it was very fit, thanks to its good manoeuvrability and its ruggedness and resistance to damage. Last edited by Warhound; 10-05-2009 at 09:59 PM.
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10-06-2009, 01:41 AM
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Tipo_Man,
карай я по-спокойно.Всичко е направено възможно най-точно. Личен свидетел съм,че този самолет е може би най-добре моделираният бомбардировач в целия ИЛ-2. П.П:Ако искаш да го свалиш,не атакувай от мъртво 6 часа,а от 6 високо. Надявам се това да помогне.
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