Bf-109 G-10 worth unlocking?

[cheapas1210]

Originally Posted by stryker333

I believe the G6 is better than the K4 imo.

nail on head

[edal86]

got the bf 109 g10 yesterdar and I would say that it is like flying the g2 but it is faster than g2 by aound 20 k/h. it carries 2 mg and 1 cannon. i feel that it turns the same way. won my first dogfight with it on sim against spitfire II. other than that nothing crazy, i would say unlock to have another bf 109 skin

[MorgothNL]

Well, I finaly have the G-10.. and it is a bummer . I'm starting to like the me109's, they are more fun to fly than the spit, because you need to do more than turning to win the battle.
I've been flying with the K-4 and F-4 mostly till I unlocked the G-10.

The G-10 flies ok, but its cannons leave a questionamark . Isnt the G-10 supposed to have a powerfull 30mm nosecannon? This one has the same armament as the F-4 and G-2. It turns worse, and is only slightly faster . I thought it would fly it bit nicer than the K-4, and had a 30mm.

the G-10 is crap no reason what so ever to pick this one over a F-4 or K-4/G-6.

Devs... could you plz give it a 30mm cannon
And while we are at it, maybe have a look at the 37mm????? yak-9T cannon (its not a 37mm, it feels like 3.7mm)
Or how about the K-4 without the gunpods.. the 30mm cannon and 2 machineguns are all I need, its a shame the gunpods are no choice, they ruin the manouvrebility of the K-4

Sorry for bringing up this old post, but I wanted to share my opinion on the G-10, now that I finally have it

[Soviet Ace]

I actually prefer the F4 or G2 to the other 109s, but that's me. They seem to handle better for what I have the notches set at. The G10, either on BoP or 1946, I never liked it because of its weight. Same with the K4, I always stuck with the Fs and G2.

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

I actually prefer the F4 or G2 to the other 109s, but that's me. They seem to handle better for what I have the notches set at. The G10, either on BoP or 1946, I never liked it because of its weight. Same with the K4, I always stuck with the Fs and G2.

I like how the F-4 flies. But it armament seems to be verry weak. The 109's fly worse than the spits, any turning battle with a spit will be lost by the 109. So, when I DO get behind the spits etc, I want the armament to shoot them down in a burst. The G-6 and K-4 can do this, but they dont fly well.

The 109's just feel underpowerd. Their nosecannon shoot rip appart wings with easy, but the armament if the spits, feels at least 3x as powerfull. this combined with the better manouvrebility of the spits, gives no reason to take a 109 .

I fly 109 now because I like the challenge. But whenever I come up against someone just as good as me, but in a spit, there is not much I can do. Even if im able to get behind him, than the armament of the F-4 will not have the power to instantly kill him. With the spit a burst is often more than enough.

Just a question now after this: was the 20mm nosecannon more powerfull than the 20mm cannons of the spits? (talking about real historical planes)

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

I like how the F-4 flies. But it armament seems to be verry weak. The 109's fly worse than the spits, any turning battle with a spit will be lost by the 109. So, when I DO get behind the spits etc, I want the armament to shoot them down in a burst. The G-6 and K-4 can do this, but they dont fly well.

The 109's just feel underpowerd. Their nosecannon shoot rip appart wings with easy, but the armament if the spits, feels at least 3x as powerfull. this combined with the better manouvrebility of the spits, gives no reason to take a 109 .

I fly 109 now because I like the challenge. But whenever I come up against someone just as good as me, but in a spit, there is not much I can do. Even if im able to get behind him, than the armament of the F-4 will not have the power to instantly kill him. With the spit a burst is often more than enough.

Just a question now after this: was the 20mm nosecannon more powerfull than the 20mm cannons of the spits? (talking about real historical planes)

Umm... both are equally powerful. They're both 20mm in size, but I believe the Spitfires 20mm cannons fired a bit faster?

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Umm... both are equally powerful. They're both 20mm in size, but I believe the Spitfires 20mm cannons fired a bit faster?

Thought maybe the nosecannon 20mm was a heavier shell, or an 'exploding' one.
Hmz, so the cannons are equal,but the spit has 2 and fire faster
So ehm, maybe a stuppid question, but where does the 109 exel the spit in? (dont say speed because thats a tiny difference)

EDIT:
I just found this table http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...n/fgun-ta.html
More or less half way, there is the spit mk IX with the 4 x 7.7mm and 2x 20mm and exactly under the IX, there is the G-6. This G-6 is armed with a 20mm cannon and 2x 13mm.
So those 2 are have the same armament as the IX in game, and, lets say the 109 F-4 (the G-6 in game has gunpods).

If you look at the table, the weight of fire of the 109 is HIGHER. It is 2.46 kg per second, and the spit has 2.24 kg per second.
Looking at this, I would asume that the 109's armament should kill quicker than the spit's.

Do I just have a lot of bad luck with the 109/ luck with the spit? or is the armament of the 109 much weaker than the spits

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

Well, I finaly have the G-10.. and it is a bummer . I'm starting to like the me109's, they are more fun to fly than the spit, because you need to do more than turning to win the battle.
I've been flying with the K-4 and F-4 mostly till I unlocked the G-10.

The G-10 flies ok, but its cannons leave a questionamark . Isnt the G-10 supposed to have a powerfull 30mm nosecannon? This one has the same armament as the F-4 and G-2. It turns worse, and is only slightly faster . I thought it would fly it bit nicer than the K-4, and had a 30mm.

the G-10 is crap no reason what so ever to pick this one over a F-4 or K-4/G-6.

Devs... could you plz give it a 30mm cannon
And while we are at it, maybe have a look at the 37mm????? yak-9T cannon (its not a 37mm, it feels like 3.7mm)
Or how about the K-4 without the gunpods.. the 30mm cannon and 2 machineguns are all I need, its a shame the gunpods are no choice, they ruin the manouvrebility of the K-4

Sorry for bringing up this old post, but I wanted to share my opinion on the G-10, now that I finally have it

MorgothNL, I believe the G-10 did have a 20mm cannon. But I think it was a new, lighter and faster firing cannon than the old 20mm. That was the whole point of the G-10. The G series of 109 had become so fat with guns to destroy bombers that it could no longer dogfight. The G-10 was designed to be much lighter so it could provide fighter cover for the G-6's and Fw190's that would take on the bombers. That is also why you would never see a G-10 with gondola cannons.

So in theory it should fly more like the 109F. Whether this id the case in BoP I don't know. I haven't unlocked the G-10 yet.

[Voyager]

Here is a better version of the table you are looking at:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

The MG151/20 used the 20x82mm round, where as the HSII, HSV uses the 200x110m.

If I'm understanding the history of the guns right, The MG151/20 round was developed from a combination of the MG FF and MG151/15 round. The MG FF was an outgrowth of the small Oerlikon FF cannon. The HS.404, which developed in the HS MkII and MkV used by the British, was developed from the heavy Oerlikon FF S line of cannon.

Basically, between the wars Oerlikon developed the MG FF action, and made three sizes of gun with it, the Oerlikon FF, the FFL, and the FFS. The German MG151/20 fires rounds based off of the smallest of the set, while the British gun is based off of the biggest gun of the set. The US tried to adopt a belt fed version as, first the M1, then M2, and finally the M3, but it never worked very well until they reached the M24 version. The Japanese adopted the FF as the Type 99-1, and the FFL as the Type 99-2.

I think about the only group (aside from the US, and only because we couldn't get it to work) that wasn't using some variant Oerlikon, were the Russians, who were using the ShVAK, which was, perhaps, the first revolver cannon. It would be rather interesting to see just how closely the Mauser MG 213 happens to be related to the ShVAK mechanism.

Harry Voyager

[Mr Greezy]

I'm playing solely in sim mode and I do just fine in 109s. You just have to fly differently. If you zip down to the deck and start turning with Spits, Yaks, and La-7s you're going to get bested. That simple. Early-war, it's a bit different, but even then you're going to have to pull some fancy stuff to "out turn" a Spit.

BnZ is how to capitalize with the 109. I've been able to do pretty well with it. Sometimes I've got the most kills in a match, other times I'm pretty close, and with BnZ'ing, you've usually got a low death count compared to the other guys since you're hovering above, waiting to pounce. If you go down and you miss, you better not stick around for long. A lot of people get frustrated with this tactic, but that's mainly because they're just doing the booming part. They forget the zooming.

A lot of my "deaths" are getting caught in a series of respawn crashing or running out of ammo and then bailing (because you can't land and get more ammo).

I like the K-4 ever so slightly more than the G-6 for the purpose of BnZ. The G-6 is still awesome though and does the job just fine. It got me enough kills to get the K-4, obviously. Historically, the K-4 is the Luftwaffe's answer to having a bunch of different 109 models with a bunch of different parts coupled with waning resources -- consolidate the 109 models, make improvements, keep costs down. And make sure you keep a big ass cannon in the nose to shoot down huge American bombers.

The G-10? No big ass cannon. I'll unlock it, but I doubt I'll fly it that much. Me likey cannons.