How do you fly...

[SgtPappy]

a 109G-2? I'm one of the Spitdweebs for sure, but the 109 is my second-best fighter and I would like to earn a 109K.

I'm going to put down my Spitfire II (which really feels like a Vb) to try and get myself the 109K, the single best performing piston-engine fighter of WWII, albeit not very maneuverable.

If anyone's got good E-fighting or BnZ tactics for th 109 in this game, I'd appreciate it. I think the G-2 has the best overall balance of performance of the 109s I've got so far so I'm going to try it.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

I don't find any of the 109's in BoP that much faster or manoeuvrable than the G6 and none of them can compete with it's firepower.

[SgtPappy]

Ah so I should try the 109G6 then?

In the war the G6 really was just a more heavily-armed 109G2. But if it's better in this game, then hey, I'll be glad to fly it.

EDIT: I checked Wildar's performance charts and it seems it performs a little worse than the G2. I'll still give it a shot though.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro

I don't find any of the 109's in BoP that much faster or manoeuvrable than the G6 and none of them can compete with it's firepower.

I find the 109F turns WAY quicker then the 109G-6. The G-6's guns are a bit overkill I think, thats why I prefer not to use it. You don't really have to aim acurately, epspecialy if its unlimited ammo.

[Soviet Ace]

I'm sure David (the 109 know-it-all in a VERY good way) will stumble upon this, and tell us all about it. But for the time, I agree with Pope. the F4 is my favorite in BoP as well. Not as power punching as the G6, but it's A LOT more stable than the G6, and turns much better from what I've experienced with it.

(Note: The F series of 109s is my personal all time favorite. The G2, would be my last because they were just too heavy afterwards.)

If you are flying in arcade, everyone there uses the g-6. EVERYONE. If someone is not using it, they are a rookie and WILL use it as soon as they compare those guns to another model. Sim guys don't usually play arcade so their attitude may be different. You can't compare planes behavior in the 2 modes. I used it myself to earn the K, which I was very proud of! I wouldn't say it has overkill on the guns, though. Everything in arcade is faster than the other 2 modes and stalling (except the 51 and 190, still) is nonexistant. Its hard to keep the tit on target using the stock controller. You fill the sky with lead and don't hit a damn thing. The longer you chase someone trying for that fatal shot, you are only a target for the opponenet behind you, who will nail you any second. The more firepower you can put on target in just a second or 2 makes all the difference. Sim is different, but in arcade it's the G6 hands down. EVERYONE cannot be wrong.

[BeaverCompany01]

The G2 is the best of the 109s for dogfighting on Sim.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

I'm sure David (the 109 know-it-all in a VERY good way) will stumble upon this, and tell us all about it. But for the time, I agree with Pope. the F4 is my favorite in BoP as well. Not as power punching as the G6, but it's A LOT more stable than the G6, and turns much better from what I've experienced with it.

(Note: The F series of 109s is my personal all time favorite. The G2, would be my last because they were just too heavy afterwards.)

And Spitfire know-it-all, you forgot that

Seriously though, good to see you around again, long time no see/speak

Anyway, about the 109's. The F4 is the most agile, and like all 109s its fast and a good climber, well suited to Boom-n-Zoom tactics for an early war plane but it is slower than more commonly flown aircraft like the La's, late model Spitfires and the Yak-3. Gun armament is light but all the guns are mounted on the centreline so they are easy to shoot accurately.

The G2 is a great plane. It is heavier than the F4 but not by much, so it is still agile, and there is a sizable improvement in speed and climb rate, so if you want to BnZ the G2 is a better plane than the F4 while still being competative in a turning fight, which the later 109s aren't.

The G6 is the worst 109 to fly, but has a whole load of firepower, so some people will use it as a BnZ fighter, but since it is no faster than the F4 you would be flying a plane that is slower, turns worse and climbs worse than the La's/Spit's/Yak's used by most players, so this is not a good choice.

The G10 is fast, has a good armament and is reasonably manoeuverable, again well suited to BnZ but not the best for turning fights. Not really very good when flown low down amongst fighters that have a similar top speed and are more agile.

The K4 is the best BnZ fighter in the game, very quick, very powerful armament, and a great climb rate, but the turning circle is poor. However, since Blackouts/Redouts have been introduced via patch to the PS3 version and made constant turning dogfights harder it will be very competative in Sim mode, though 360 players like myself will find these tactics harder to use.

Long story short, F4 or G2 for turn fights, K4 for BnZ and steer clear of the E3, G6 and G10.

Regards

[SgtPappy]

Thanks, everyone.

Indeed, David, it seems even thought the planes in this game have that touch of arcadey-ness, they more or less follow the trend of both IL-2:1946 and AHII. There's really no point in flying the G6, because like mentioned, it's an up-gunned G2.

I think I was always successful in the F4, G2 and untouchable in the K4 in AHII, so I'll try them out. Though, the K4 really shouldn't have two 20mm cannon.

I'll do some testing soon to see whether the combat flaps have less lift than the landing flaps. I would assume so, as someone on these forums stated that the landing flaps do indeed jam at high speed, suggesting that they do have extra deflection.

[kozzm0]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

I find the 109F turns WAY quicker then the 109G-6. The G-6's guns are a bit overkill I think, thats why I prefer not to use it. You don't really have to aim acurately, epspecialy if its unlimited ammo.

The f handles much better than the later ones because it is lighter = lower wing loading.

I came across some of the data from the pc version, and the 109f is very close to the la5 in that one.

In particular, its corner speed (where it gets max degrees/s) is just a little higher than la5's, at about 370kph. where it does about 33 degrees/s but bleeds energy heavily. The sustained turn curve is better than la5 between about 380 to 450, and worse elsewhere.

BOP is undoubtedly less accurate, since most of the planes can easily sustain level turns under 19 seconds, but I bet you'll get better results with a 109f if you keep it between 400-450. Fight the energy fight. Takes longer to get kills of course, but takes longer to die too.

I've set the 109f elevator at 4 notches below top and it remained pretty stable. Rolls good, too.

Just so you know, the patch awards the K4 for one online win with any plane. Ta152 also.