How Realistic Is The Simulation Mode?

[butterfield]

Originally Posted by David603

Yeah, a lot of people will look at any fighter with a good reputation and assume it must be fantastic at the only form of dogfighting they know, which is basic low speed Turn-n-Burn.

Therefore I fully expect to see a lot of people online trying to use the P51 in this role, and getting worked over by people who know how to use a Fw190 or Bf109 properly.

I know I can hardly wait. .. I learned my lessons the hard way from years of IL-2. BOP online is going to be like poping tin cans with a pellet gun. People have no clue about what real dogfighting was in WW2 apart from what they see in movies/TV. They see a planes turning turning turning. They have no idea of the tactics involved especially for the hotrod USAAF fighters.

[SleepTrgt]

Originally Posted by butterfield

I know I can hardly wait. .. I learned my lessons the hard way from years of IL-2. BOP online is going to be like poping tin cans with a pellet gun. People have no clue about what real dogfighting was in WW2 apart from what they see in movies/TV. They see a planes turning turning turning. They have no idea of the tactics involved especially for the hotrod USAAF fighters.

Yea, like i can fly, but i dont know any tactics at all, hopefully someone can teach me so i can become a true ace!

[Desode]

Originally Posted by David603

Yeah, a lot of people will look at any fighter with a good reputation and assume it must be fantastic at the only form of dogfighting they know, which is basic low speed Turn-n-Burn.

Therefore I fully expect to see a lot of people online trying to use the P51 in this role, and getting worked over by people who know how to use a Fw190 or Bf109 properly.

You got that right. Console people aren't going to look up the aircrafts stats and fly the plane according to their strengths. I do however disagree on the p-51. In arcade mode, yes everyone will fly it ,but I don't think hardly anyone will use it in full sim because no one will know how to use it.
Even Gunther Rall said the p51 was the best high energy fighter of WWII. Your being a BF-109 fan I'm sure you know who he is. I got to meet him when I was 15.

Personally I'm a FW 190 guy. I will however say that when it comes to Vertical S fighting I would take a P51-H.

Its going to be fun playing online when Sturmovik hits console. Thats for sure !
I hope some of the console players give Sim mode a chance and stick with it.
DESODE

[David603]

Originally Posted by Desode

You got that right. Console people aren't going to look up the aircrafts stats and fly the plane according to their strengths. I do however disagree on the p-51. In arcade mode, yes everyone will fly it ,but I don't think hardly anyone will use it in full sim because no one will know how to use it.
Even Gunther Rall said the p51 was the best high energy fighter of WWII. Your being a BF-109 fan I'm sure you know who he is. I got to meet him when I was 15.

Personally I'm a FW 190 guy. I will however say that when it comes to Vertical S fighting I would take a P51-H.

Its going to be fun playing online when Sturmovik hits console. Thats for sure !
I hope some of the console players give Sim mode a chance and stick with it.
DESODE

Sure I've heard of Gunther Rall. One of the Germans top aces. Don't think I was being down on the P51, flown properly it can be absolutely lethal, and because of the way its performance envelope is so close to a Fw190Ds but it has a better sustained turn it can be a real pain in the a** for a Fw190D Pilot.

All I was saying is that it is poor at low speed dogfighting, and because of its reputation it will probably attract a lot of noobs who will use it this way. I suppose you are right though. Noobs won't be flying in Sim.

As for the P51H, it is really a contemporary of planes such as the Ta152, and so shouldn't be directly compared to the late model Bf109s and Fw190s because it was introduced too late for European service.

[thundermuffin]

Originally Posted by butterfield

Uhh... if you do some real research instead of a TV show showing a some noobs in 109's and a lucky p-51 pilot putting himself in a dumb low energy positions then you might have more of an understanding of how the P-51 was actually being flown during the war.

Yes the P-51 had lots of kills and has a legendary reputation...but it sure as hell wasn't from turn and burn dogfights. The P-51 was horrible at low speed, low altitude affairs. You take a P-51 into a slow turning fight against an experienced 109 pilot and guess what... you were more than likely dead.

The P-51 was meant to be flown at high speed. Using superior BnZ tactics and refusing to turn fight is what this plane is known for. Speed is life for the P-51.

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

[juz1]

Originally Posted by thundermuffin

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

thank god too...if some of the posters from this forum were wingmen I'd have to give "friendly-fire" some serious thought...either that or defect...
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[butterfield]

Originally Posted by thundermuffin

Just want to point out that HE is alive and the 109 is not... He isn't lucky and he isn't dumb. I hate to be all "USA! USA!" but he is a fine soldier and did one hell of a job. I'd rather you call out the plane than the pilot. It's really easy for you to be a monday morning QB (if your not American, sorry for esoteric idiom), but you were never in a combat situation like this... none of us will EVER be in a real dogfight. Just remember that.

Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot. It surely has nothing to due with that plane though.

[thundermuffin]

Originally Posted by butterfield

Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot.

No you are totally right about those odds!

I was watching that and my only thought was that the 109's were just sitting there waiting for him to shoot them!
And I know you didn't mean any disrespect

[Desode]

Originally Posted by butterfield

Yeah your right..I went a little hard there. No disrepect to any vets out there. I was just a little fumed when I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Still though that vet might not be giving that interview if the german pilot/pilots were more experienced. It was a desperate manuever. I guess that's the thing though...you never knew... something like that might actually work since there's a 1 in 10 chance your up against a experienced combat pilot. It surely has nothing to due with that plane though.

LOL, Sorry if I got you upset butterfield, but you lumped the F4U in there when you mentioned bad low speed manuevering aircraft, and it had a stall speed of 70.5 mph ! So I thought I would pick on ya some. I didn't think you'd take a post so serious. Do you let people get under your skin that easy online ? Just kidding.
If your a Il2 vet then your alright in my book and if you played it for long then I'll assume you learned to know your aircraft stats.

DESODE

[Doktorwzzerd]

Originally Posted by Desode

Hey Doktorwzzerd, Here is some real info on the p-51 and here are the links to videos to back it all up.
I'm sorry but butterfield is not correct on all of his assumptions...

.... Desode

Hey thanks to all of you guys, theres a lot of great information in this thread! I'll check out all of the guides and keep practicing, when the MP comes on line, watch your back! Has anyone suggested organizing a forum squadron yet?