Over-revving the FW 190 D9 1945

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

However, no matter the radiator setting I can't replicate this problem in the D9 1944, .

Wow, imagine that aircraft with two different engines or airframes would perform differently under the same conditions, amazing!

If that feature of IL2 is too "amazing" for someone to handle, then luckily they can choose less realistic settings.

I will maintain that there is a simple operational procedure that was outlined years ago in one of the readme files that explains the phenomena in question.

If someone is used to their aircraft and knows how to operate it then they will not ruin the engine, unless it has a random mechanical problem as is part of IL2 Realistic settings. If they are not used to the craft they are flying and have not read all the materials released with each aircraft and each feature that has been explained in the Readme notes, the manuals etc. with each edition and patch release then they will of course have problems.

I will do some peoples homework for them, but not everyone's, I simply don't have the time. The best gift you can give is to teach someone to fish for themselves.

Maybe someday I will get into a duel with someone online and I will win because I don't blow up my engine and can get more out of it, I earned that and it is mine to give away as well as it is yours to earn or give away as you see fit.

Happy fishing.

[Woke Up Dead]

I like you Jumo, you're evenly balanced with a chip on each shoulder. I also admire your ongoing quest to use your hard-gotten knowledge to one day win an online duel.

If someone else would like to use this thread in this forum to exchange ideas, theories, or simply point out what I'm doing wrong if this over-revving is not a bug, then I'm all ears.

[Bolelas]

But you do make use of manual prop pitch, correct? If you dont, i think you should.
You keep the MW50 turned on the entire trip?

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by Bolelas

But you do make use of manual prop pitch, correct? If you dont, i think you should.
You keep the MW50 turned on the entire trip?

No I don't use manual pitch, and I guess I probably should. It's just one of those situations where if I have a capable pilot in an La-7 behind me I'd like to fiddle with the controls as little as possible. It's nice that the German planes have all those automatic features, not having to worry about pitch or radiator settings in combat helps to make up for them being less maneuverable than a lot of opponents. And yes, I keep the MW50 turned on throughout the dive.

Also, it just seems odd that this would be a problem for this specific plane only, none of the other similar late-war German planes will wreck their engine in this manner, they'll just get an overheat message at the worst. I don't think any of the fast late-war US, USSR, or UK planes can wreck their engine in a single dive either. That's why I'm wondering if this is a bug or a feature.

[RPS69]

Just one thing... why are you keeping engine on max power after final speed is achieved?

I'am very confused with that. There is no point on throwing energy away, you will actually be charging the system, instead of increasing speed.

The big problem with any propeller is it's final speed. You could still accelerate, because your frame is damn good, but the propeller is a huge hindrance at high speeds. Also, keeping the throttle at full power at 900Km/h seems preposterous!

If you keep your engine at max power until the end of a dive, I will tell you that if there is a bug, it is with the planes that won't overheat, and they all should get engine damage. Check the RPM's of both planes and see the difference, but I doubt you will gain nothing by keeping the throttle at max power to the end of the dive.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

I like you Jumo, you're evenly balanced with a chip on each shoulder. I also admire your ongoing quest to use your hard-gotten knowledge to one day win an online duel.

If someone else would like to use this thread in this forum to exchange ideas, theories, or simply point out what I'm doing wrong if this over-revving is not a bug, then I'm all ears.

Might be a silly note but you're engaging MW50 at low RPM yes? Otherwise you will surely destroy the engine one way or the other.

So... spawn at low alt, low rev, engage MW50, throttle to 110%, climb to 5000 meters, then dive back to sea level and try and make 870+kph without destroying the engine? Missed anything? Rads to auto?

Might want to give this a few tries again and see what my results are now.

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Might be a silly note but you're engaging MW50 at low RPM yes? Otherwise you will surely destroy the engine one way or the other.

So... spawn at low alt, low rev, engage MW50, throttle to 110%, climb to 5000 meters, then dive back to sea level and try and make 870+kph without destroying the engine? Missed anything? Rads to auto?

Might want to give this a few tries again and see what my results are now.

That's right, I know about not engaging MW50 at high rpm.

Spawn at low alt, low rev, engage MW50, throttle to 110% but you'll have to reduce it later to climb to 5000 meters without overheating. Dive back to sea level, see how long you can hold it over 850 or even over 750km/h without destroying the engine. Rads to auto.

Manual pitch and rads to open will probably solve the problem, but you'd think the automatic features should know how to protect the engine, they do in all earlier German planes.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

That's right, I know about not engaging MW50 at high rpm.

Spawn at low alt, low rev, engage MW50, throttle to 110% but you'll have to reduce it later to climb to 5000 meters without overheating. Dive back to sea level, see how long you can hold it over 850 or even over 750km/h without destroying the engine. Rads to auto.

Manual pitch and rads to open will probably solve the problem, but you'd think the automatic features should know how to protect the engine, they do in all earlier German planes.

I'll try and do this in the next couple of days... see what my results are doing this exactly. See what we might come up with collectively.

[Woke Up Dead]

Sorry RPS69, what do you mean by "final speed?"

I'm pushing the throttle as long as I can because the enemy behind me is likely doing the same. The engine and propeller may be very inefficient at those speeds, but I need to squeeze out every last km/h and fly faster than the La-7 can dive, and as long as the engine doesn't cook then throttle to the wall is the way to do it. Reducing prop pitch may give me more speed at those extremes, and that's where the automatic systems in the German planes work very well, except apparently in the 190-D9 1945.

[RPS69]

Check engine RPM´s.

Compare it with the other 190D9 model.

What I mean, is that there is a point that the plane speed on a dive is beyond the engine+propeller efficiency. You are not squeezing more speed, you are reducing it. To achieve more speed, you need to feather the prop.

Also, stabilizing the plane at the end of the dive should be much more difficult with a high reved engine, than with a moderating one. High revs generates a huge gyro effect, who will increase resistance to vector change.

To report this as a bug, it will be better to check planes RPM, and the clock who shows the prop pitch. If both planes show the same behaviour here, then I would look for how much overreving you are applying, but I would expect every plane to seize it´s engine after that kind of mistreatment.