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12-31-2008, 12:57 AM
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Y'see the thing that you don't get is that while there may be cheat mods out there.. I can't deny that.. I haven't seen any but I cant deny that they exist... but here you say that because a person is using mods they can't possibly know about cheats.. what.. you think it is like some kind of virus or something... MODS DO NOT EQUAL CHEATS. JUST BECAUSE A PERSON USES MODS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE CONDONES OR PRACTICES CHEATING. Just because a person uses mods does not mean that their version of the sim is hot and ready to become a cheat factory. That is not how the mods work. The majority of those mods have nothing to do with FMs or DMs at all.... Quote:
I do think that if a server host wants a mod free server he is entitled to that regardless to the mod. I have come to see these mods however as more functionality. While as I asid I am sure there are FDW mods.. most of them just add functionality. Last edited by Bearcat; 12-31-2008 at 01:08 AM. |
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12-31-2008, 12:11 AM
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Carguy the " mod supporters", at least the ones here, don't have to deny jack. The history speaks for itself. The work speaks for itself. Look at that thread. Really read the whole thing, including many of your posts, and compare it with the facts of today.. Oh.. that's right.. you cant do that... you quit IL2 when that thread was being made most likely.. because it was the end of the world right? So basically anything you have to say on the subject is coming from misinformation and speculation on what happened in other sims way back when.. Y'know, it's interesting. 95% of the stuff in there as far as worries and prophecies of doom for online flying in IL2 from several people, YOU included, have not even come to pass. Not even close. Right now there are over 600 folks on HL.. on a Tuesday @1915 EST. So much for the death of online play... I said it then.. I'll say it now... the sim is hacked. Get over it. If you cant do that then do like Carguy did and leave... but STFU about it because it is a moot point. Seriously..... Today there is a history to go along with it. Unlike back when that thread was created, posted in and locked... it is now a year later... and the work speaks for itself. The integrity of this community speaks for itself. We are not a community of cheaters and the modders are not "pimply faced teenagers". I waited almost a year (9 months from when this all started) before I tried any of the mods. It was D-Day of 08 that I finally tried them. I am glad I waited... they were worth the wait. The old arguments need to be revised. Like them or not, there is no denying that the mods have not hurt the sim. They have not ruined online flying. The expected FM & DM mods have not come en masse.... Most of the mods are functional improvements and immersion boosters.. and as I have said from day one.. they aren't going anywhere no matter who likes them or doesnt. Those who insist on seeing the doom and gloom where there is none need to look at today and stop looking at this issue from the prism of the past. Carguy you talk about the "kind of people former IL2 community had all along" as if the current community were somehow deviant or had less character. That is BS man..[i] now if you didn't mean it that way and I just took it wrong then I apologize now... but somehow I think that you seem to be insinuating that because many in this community have chosen to use the mods that have been out for over a year now, and actually like some of them with little if any ill effects, at the very least nothing that a reinstall cant fix... and people had issues with patches... official patches.. that they are somehow bad people or have tarnished the community. If that is what you DID mean then I totally disagree with you and I say that the fact that 12+ months after the initial "crime" there are NOT widespread FM-DM-Wep mods, hack kiddies have NOT taken over the sim, UFOs have not invaded HyperLobby , in all this the community is generally policing itself. There are now maps for Slovenia, The Med... with Italy Africa & Greece, The Phillipines, Burma, The English Channel.. and more... there are flyable bombers with cockpits, IL2 1946 has probably sold more because of these mods, although I dont have the figures, from what I understand the mods don't work on the downloaded version. Now all this may go to rot in a year or two... if that is to be the case that was the fact the moment the sim was hacked and you and others like you can shortchange yourself by not flying... or whatever you want to do. Me? I am going to continue to enjoy this sim that I have invested thousands in flying over the past 7 years... and enjoy the h@ll out of it while I can. |
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12-31-2008, 12:31 AM
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12-31-2008, 08:36 AM
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 . I just dont think mods are all that bad and doesnt neccesserily mean people will cheat. In fact they dont.
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12-31-2008, 08:59 AM
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Funny,quite a few of those 'rabid anti hackers' appearing in that old thread are now very much using the mods.
 This whole thread is useless.It all happened publically a year ago (I know,I have the T-shirt). |
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12-31-2008, 09:20 AM
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err, computer says wrong Wild Weasel.... human nature dictates if the possibility to cheat exists, it will happen. besides which... using mods is supporting the hacking of the sim, sorry to say 
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12-31-2008, 10:02 AM
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Here, I will tell you what what I expirienced; - the most common is invisible plane, bounced with tracers coming out of thin air, my squad buddy saw no plane, other example idiot in invisible bomber spawns on the field and shoots planes around with turrets... - FM switching a variations to the theme, personally saw a P51 I could easily catch but couldn't outturn or outclimb no matter what, he tied a few of us until we applied anti-Spitfire tactics lol - not to mention how many people fly with adjusted gunsights, mirrors, 6DOF and cool stuff like that. As you can notice the above things were obviously made by amateurs, I'm afraid to think what someone good with Java could do... Also I only responded here because Urufu sugested there are no cheats and we make things up, that's unacceptable. As for hanging with wrong or right people this comment Bercat you did not need, was rather ruthless thing to say IMO. |
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12-31-2008, 04:45 PM
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As for the listed "cheats" above, the invisible planes were a problem long before the mods were out, a bad patch sequence causes this not cheaters (though it's possible it's a cheater you cannot hold it up as evidence since there is a common benign explaination for this phenomenon). There is no way to prove there was FM switching involved in you P51 incident, I see threads all the time where someone states they cannot catch a particular variant they think they should be able to catch, before the mods came out! Gunsites, mirrors and 6DOF are all admittedly debatable but no more so than trackIR, rudder pedals and who has the power to run better graphics than others (situational awareness etc). Look, I'm not saying there are not valid concerns about mods etc, I'm just saying the mass hysteria and doom and gloom are unjustified, as are the insults people are posting about mod users. If you feel that the cracking of the code is something you do not want to have anything to do with then thats fine, good on ya, but don't slander those with a different opinion and certainly don't spread lies and misinformation about the mods themselves just because you disagree with the way this started. Feel free to argue all day about the root of the issue and what it is that you disagree with, the cracking of olegs IP, but there's no need to sling mud and to take the topic to ridiculous area's that have nothing to do with reality or the cracking of the code. |
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12-31-2008, 08:04 PM
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So, this is the result's of a hacked then modded game. A divided community, a dislike of one another based on their stated beliefs. I think it much better to leave a great sim like IL2 alone, in the first place. Then we will only hate those that shoot us down
 ...no going back now, enjoy it the way that you perfer
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